Has anyone seen the new rule changes and proposed changes for this coming season? Heard they are limiting or cancelling June practice, possibly no 2 a days, legthening the dead period and putting a ceiling on the number of practices before the first game. I know we all want KY football to be competitive with other states and we have the athletes and coaches to do so. IMO the quality of football in KY gets better every year, due in large part to the hard work of the coaches across the state. But it seems that for every step forward we take 2 steps back due to insane rule changes brought on to coddle basketball. How can coaches and athletes be prepared for a long season when practices get cut every year?

Has anyone seen the new rule changes and proposed changes for this coming season? Heard they are limiting or cancelling June practice, possibly no 2 a days, legthening the dead period and putting a ceiling on the number of practices before the first game. I know we all want KY football to be competitive with other states and we have the athletes and coaches to do so. IMO the quality of football in KY gets better every year, due in large part to the hard work of the coaches across the state. But it seems that for every step forward we take 2 steps back due to insane rule changes brought on to coddle basketball. How can coaches and athletes be prepared for a long season when practices get cut every year?

 

OK. Before HDE gets a chance to respond, I will throw something out there. You titled this thread the KHSAA and again. You do mean the member schools of the KHSAA don't you. Their Board can't just make season rules and practice rules, those are made by a 2/3 vote of the schools. And welcome out from under the rock you have been sleeping under. This action was voted on in October, 2007 if my memory serves me correctly. And the only thing that changed was the elimination of school vs. school competition in June. The other items you mentioned are not rules changes I don't think, and are just bad rumors.

 

One suggestion however. I think if you check every state in the nation, you might find Kentucky football schools get as much practice as any state in the union. Some get less than two weeks. http://www.nfhs.org/core/contentmanager/uploads/2007%20General%20Football%20Survey%20Summary.pdf

Edited December 20, 200817 yr by kissinger

In Ohio, you are allowed Seven Days of organized practice from June 1-July 28 (I think those are the exact dates). You also have to include passing scrimmages as a practice. Kentucky has to stop thinking about "how can they compete with other states?" and just worry about winning the next game while keeping the best interest of the kids in mind.

 

If I had it my way, you get rid of the bye week, start a week earlier, and cut the playoff spots down to the top two teams in the district. I am sorry buy KY football has way too many teams with losing records in the playoffs and the season last way too long.

 

I have coached in Ohio for five years and last year we only had three full pad/full contact practices before our first scrimmage. So no I do not believe that putting a roof on June/July practices is such a bad idea. When it comes to High School football, How many practices do you need anyways? How many plays can you possibly run? This whole thing about Kentucky competeing with whoever/whatever is just not the best foundation for the argument when discussing the amount of practices you get. Ultimately, the best way to get wins against premiere football progams is not the X's and O's, but rather the Johhny's and Joe's! Players win, not a bunch of X's and O's.

Edited December 20, 200817 yr by kydlineguy
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In Ohio, you are allowed Seven Days of organized practice from June 1-July 28 (I think those are the exact dates). You also have to include passing scrimmages as a practice. Kentucky has to stop thinking about "how can they compete with other states?" and just worry about winning the next game while keeping the best interest of the kids in mind.

 

If I had it my way, you get rid of the bye week, start a week earlier, and cut the playoff spots down to the top two teams in the district. I am sorry buy KY football has way too many teams with losing records in the playoffs and the season last way too long.

 

I have coached in Ohio for five years and last year we only had three full pad/full contact practices before our first scrimmage. So no I do not believe that putting a roof on June/July practices is such a bad idea. When it comes to High School football, How many practices do you need anyways? How many plays can you possibly run? This whole thing about Kentucky competeing with whoever/whatever is just not the best foundation for the argument when discussing the amount of practices you get. Ultimately, the best way to get wins against premiere football progams is not the X's and O's, but rather the Johhny's and Joe's! Players win, not a bunch of X's and O's.

Florida, Tex and I believe Calf are still playing.

What’s the big deal about teams making the playoffs with a losing record? I know that the team I follow (Monroe Co) played in a playoff game last year with a 2-9 record and got beat 48-0, I KNOW that playoff game helped to make them better and inspired them to work harder in the off-season and they did, they followed that 2-9 season by going 12-2 and winning the region...

Lets do this, lets figure this thing out kindergarten style. Lets make a Pro/Con style list and see what we end up with.

Pros

1.Obviouslly the more kids practice something the better they get at it.

2. Money, the more games you play the more money you make for you athletic dept.

3. Conditioning, the better an athlete is conditioned the less likely he is to get injured.

Cons

1. Takes more commitment from parents

2. Increases the chances of poor weather in playoff games

 

 

 

Feel free to help me add to the list...

I thought the proposal was that football would play no outside competition (7-on-7) in June and basketball will play no outside competition in July. Teams could still have individual camps and practice/open gym during those months. The dead period would still be in tact so nothing would go on during that time.

It sounds like a good plan to me and makes it easier for the students to play both sports.

OK. Before HDE gets a chance to respond, I will throw something out there. You titled this thread the KHSAA and again. You do mean the member schools of the KHSAA don't you. Their Board can't just make season rules and practice rules, those are made by a 2/3 vote of the schools. And welcome out from under the rock you have been sleeping under. This action was voted on in October, 2007 if my memory serves me correctly. And the only thing that changed was the elimination of school vs. school competition in June. The other items you mentioned are not rules changes I don't think, and are just bad rumors.

 

One suggestion however. I think if you check every state in the nation, you might find Kentucky football schools get as much practice as any state in the union. Some get less than two weeks. http://www.nfhs.org/core/contentmanager/uploads/2007%20General%20Football%20Survey%20Summary.pdf

 

Great post Kissinger. Hopefully the more times that information gets posted, the more people realize that when it comes to rules like the ones mentioned in the initial post, its the schools that propose a large majority of them and approve all of them. So if folks have a beef, go sit in their superintendent's office and complain, and quit blaming the KHSAA.

 

The rule change did not eliminate June practices; just 7 on 7s between schools. It did not eliminate 2 a days, it did not lengthen the dead period and it did not reduce the number of practices a team can have before the first game.

 

some_guy, some unsolicited advise: don't believe in the future any info your source on the info you posted gives you in the future.

What’s the big deal about teams making the playoffs with a losing record? I know that the team I follow (Monroe Co) played in a playoff game last year with a 2-9 record and got beat 48-0, I KNOW that playoff game helped to make them better and inspired them to work harder in the off-season and they did, they followed that 2-9 season by going 12-2 and winning the region...

 

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Edited December 20, 200817 yr by kydlineguy
what I said was completely off topic

Lets do this, lets figure this thing out kindergarten style. Lets make a Pro/Con style list and see what we end up with.

Pros

1.Obviouslly the more kids practice something the better they get at it.

2. Money, the more games you play the more money you make for you athletic dept.

3. Conditioning, the better an athlete is conditioned the less likely he is to get injured.

Cons

1. Takes more commitment from parents

2. Increases the chances of poor weather in playoff games

 

 

 

Feel free to help me add to the list...

 

A 2-9 team does not deserve to be in the playoffs. They did nothing to deserve the 48-0 beating that they took. You have teams sitting at home that are WAY better, who finished with .500 records and could have beat many or most of the teams in the playoffs, these are the teams who deserved to get a chance to practice, not a 2-9, 1-9, or 0-10 team like we have seen this year. There is zero logic to awarding a team a playoff spot for mediocrity (I'm sorry, 2-9 is not mediocrity, my bad).

 

If a 2-9 team gets to play, but a 5-5, or in some cases 6-4 team stays home, then let them all play. Play a 4 game season and then start the playoffs..... That makes about as much sense as we have seen over the past couple of years and the 6 divisions is only making it worse. This year it was horrible football over the first weekend of the playoffs....

Lets do this, lets figure this thing out kindergarten style. Lets make a Pro/Con style list and see what we end up with.

Pros

1.Obviouslly the more kids practice something the better they get at it.

2. Money, the more games you play the more money you make for you athletic dept.

3. Conditioning, the better an athlete is conditioned the less likely he is to get injured.

Cons

1. Takes more commitment from parents

2. Increases the chances of poor weather in playoff games

 

 

 

Feel free to help me add to the list...

 

 

That is not true in all cases. If you don't have good attendance by paying fans then you could end up losing money when you take into effect that you have to pay officals, teachers/custiodans working the game, field wear & tear, concession workers, & emergency staff & local police. If you have poor attendance you could find yourself very easily losing money.

We talk of competing with other states and yet most schools can not compete with the best teams in their class. We all practice the same but in each of the 6 classes there is a big gap from top to bottom. I think the programs that teach the game on the feeder teams, teach football to increase the players football IQ, are the teams that have the greater arsonal to play the game. They not only beat us with numbers but the numbers have more football IQ. Then these programs get there players in shape. These types of programs give every kid a chance to develope, and turn an average player into a player who knows how to win. Then they get their players in shape to compete. These type programs do not rebuild but reload every year.

some_guy: I appreciate what you said recognizing the hard work of the coaches in this state, but I must disagree with some of the specifics and the overall premise of your post (that coaches are being hamstrung in getting their teams ready by state rules)

 

Heard they are limiting or cancelling June practice,

As has been mentioned, all being limited is school vs. school competition. New rules also EXTENDED the period of time (last 3 weeks of July) there can be school vs. school 7on7 competition in JULY -- to some a better situation because there's more time after your actual "practices" to see your stuff in action against another team.

You can still "practice" as much as you want in June. More importantly, you can still TRAIN YOUR PLAYERS (lift, run, catch, throw) as much as you want in June.

The "basketball mentality" is that the only way you get better at your sport is to PLAY it against someone else.

 

possibly no 2 a days,

Not right. Just a limit on CONSECUTIVE DAYS doing PADDED 2-a-day practices. Same exact rule the COLLEGES have. ...and something done in the interest of kids' health in time of the worst heat of the summer.

 

legthening the dead period

Haven't heard this one. Still June 25 to July 9 as far as I've heard.

 

and putting a ceiling on the number of practices before the first game.

Not exactly right. Maybe on FULL-PADS practices...but there's still a lot you can get done to to prepare MENTALLY and even PHYSICALLY with limited equipment.

 

it seems that for every step forward we take 2 steps back due to insane rule changes brought on to coddle basketball. How can coaches and athletes be prepared for a long season when practices get cut every year?

Not sure any of the newer rules were done with the intention to help BASKETBALL AS A SPORT in the state...as a matter of fact, some of the things were proposed or backed by football coaches. Now, some of the coaches I've talked to that support the June/July change had as their intention to help KIDS who play BASKETBALL AND FOOTBALL in June.

 

Still PLENTY of time and practice sessions to get a team ready to play if a coach is efficient with their scheduling in the summer and adequately uses the winter and spring in my opinion.

If they were just doing this to coddle basketball wouldn't they move the season earlier so it was done before basketball started?