This is from the first post in the thread.

 

 

From the first post in the thread. Sure seems to me that's exactly what he is saying.

 

I stand corrected... I think that undermines what Trinity and X have accomplished, however, I still think having an enrollment twice the size of your competitor would help. Do you disagree?

IMO, numbers do help. They are not, however, the only factor differentiating T and X from others.

 

T has a smaller enrollment than Cinci St. X and Louisville St. X and beat both. The difference though is modest. I do think double the enrollment has to be a positive factor.

 

But . . . while the numbers can help keep a larger school competitive year to year -- look at soccer or baseball -- they don't explain the "dominance."

There’s no doubt exceptions, and I don't think anyone is saying that #'s alone win games, but are you saying that having 1,500 boys is no better than having 700?

 

Not to Gideon in the book of Judges.

Then please explain why the largest public schools (Dunbar and Henderson County), who have male enrollments of over 1000, don't dominate.

 

And then explain how Highlands (who is playing 2 classes up I believe) is able to dominate their class. They are the smallest school in 5A.

 

Is size a factor?

 

Yes. BUT if it was the end all be all then Dunbar (the largest public school in the state) wouldn't be abysmal.

 

When I was in school 900 years ago the public schools in Jefferson County had larger male enrollments then Trinity and guess what, Trinity still won a bunch.

 

Honestly AllTell you are exactly where I was the first time I read this thread. Sure size is a factor but it's not the end all, of all. Look at how well historically Danville has played schools from Louisville and Lexington. :thumb:

I stand corrected... I think that undermines what Trinity and X have accomplished, however, I still think having an enrollment twice the size of your competitor would help. Do you disagree?

 

It helps but as I pointed out schools like Dunbar have huge enrollments compared to others in their classification and I would argue they are the worst team in 6A this year.

The biggest reason they dominate is enrollment.These two schools do have great programs, very good coaches, and tremendous support from their communities, but the simple advantage of numbers is the biggest keys to their success year in and year out. It would be like Boone County or Simon Kenton playing 1A or 2A. Or HHS playing in 1A.

 

 

 

St.Xavier 1436 boys

Trinity 1361 boys

 

 

Simon Kenton 772 boys

Boone County 839 boys

 

I posted it in other threads. For SK to compare to Trinity in terms of enrollment you would need to combine them with Highlands and NewCath.

 

HHS 404 boys

Newcath 261 boys

 

 

It also shows you how amazing it is what HHS does year in and year out competing and beating schools larger than themselves.

 

DD, I agree size helps a lot and that is one of the issues the six class system is aimed at addressing. Furthermore, school systems like the Boone County schools have no beef here. If size is the solution then they need to quit building new high schools and expand the ones they have.

 

You can't cut your enrollment and then cry because someone else has more students than you do.

There is simply no one simple reason why any school dominates anything. It IS demeaning to programs who work every bit as hard as every other school does to win, and accomplishes that goal, to try and reduce their accomplishments to one factor. As has been mentioned, Dunbar and Henderson do not dominate. There is a CULTURE associated with winning programs that draws those athletes out of the classroom and onto the field. If a school of 12-1300 boys cannot field a team similar in numbers as a school of 1400, look at the culture of the school, or the program. What makes kids WANT to play? Winning is one thing, of course. But you have to convince them that playing for that school, win or lose, is a thing of pride. You have to instill loyalty. You have to teach discipline. And you will achieve.

Size matters.

DD, I agree size helps a lot and that is one of the issues the six class system is aimed at addressing. Furthermore, school systems like the Boone County schools have no beef here. If size is the solution then they need to quit building new high schools and expand the ones they have.

 

You can't cut your enrollment and then cry because someone else has more students than you do.

 

This has nothing to do with sports. The schools are being built because the numbers of students is too big for the schools they have. You can say add on but in most cases that is much easier said than done for many reasons. You build schools so that kids have the best opportunity to a quality education, not to create an athletic powerhouse.

This has nothing to do with sports. The schools are being built because the numbers of students is too big for the schools they have. You can say add on but in most cases that is much easier said than done for many reasons. You build schools so that kids have the best opportunity to a quality education, not to create an athletic powerhouse.

 

 

Then how do you explain the growing numbers at T&X AND their traditions of excellent academics? Relative to your theory, they should not consistently achieve excellence in academics because they continue to grow in enrollment.

If it is all about numbers, then why are so many insistent that Ft. Thomas Highlands is better than both Trinity and X? What is Highlands' boy enrollment? What reasons do Highlands supporters cite as contributing to their superior position?

IMO, this thread is nothing but an attempt to belittle Trinity and St. X's championships. Who cares if they've got a large number of boys at the school? St. X and Trinity MAKE more ATHLETES then anyone else... That's why they are so successful. Not because they have 52352345 boys that attend their schools.

 

I would only change a single word in the bolded statement. Substitute attract for make. There is no question, the top football players from all over Louisville make their way the the doorsteps of X and T. And why not? The best programs attract great players. By the time these great players get to X and T, all the coaches have to do is refine them, not remake them.

I would only change a single word in the bolded statement. Substitute attract for make. There is no question, the top football players from all over Louisville make their way the the doorsteps of X and T. And why not? The best programs attract great players. By the time these great players get to X and T, all the coaches have to do is refine them, not remake them.

 

You've never seen a Trinity practice have you?

Then how do you explain the growing numbers at T&X AND their traditions of excellent academics? Relative to your theory, they should not consistently achieve excellence in academics because they continue to grow in enrollment.

 

Thats not what I was talking about. The numbers of kids in the Boone County school system was higher than what the schools were built for. They needed another school to accomodate the kids.

If it is all about numbers, then why are so many insistent that Ft. Thomas Highlands is better than both Trinity and X? What is Highlands' boy enrollment? What reasons do Highlands supporters cite as contributing to their superior position?

 

Now that is a great question!