There were 2 student athlete brothers that transferred from Bryan Station to LexCath for the upcoming year. The 9th grader will be eligible but the 10th grader will sit out this season.

This is a complete joke....anyone who doesn't think this is an obvious move based on athletics is crazy. Don't forget the Flannery kid as well.....all three have played together for 5+ years....

The fact that you and everyone else seem to agree that Answer 1, or a simple "no comment" would make this move 100% fine and dandy tells me the move and "motives" were legit. Statement 2 does nothing to change the basic facts surrounding the move itself.

 

If the move is legit without making statement 2 above, how is it illegitimate with statement 2? There is no KHSAA rule against speaking to the press or what should and should not be said. ( I think there may be a Constitutional Amendment involved there somewhere.)

 

Perhaps you've never been "quoted" by a media source, but it's not unusual to be misquoted or taken out of context. I doubt that sports reporters would subject their sports readers to a D-1 prospect's dad's views on the benefits of low student-to-teacher ratios and challenging math curriculum.

 

Either the move was legit or not. Dad's "alleged" comments to the press are secondary, and would amount to nothing more than heresay in a court of law.

 

Thankfully, our legal system views defendants as "innocent until proven guilty". It seems the KHSAA associates guilt with appearances, and requires the accused to prove their innocence.

 

I believe these comments are a matter of public record and are therefore admissable anywhere and to anyone!!

I believe these comments are a matter of public record and are therefore admissable anywhere and to anyone!!

Just because a newspaper printed it, doesn't mean it is an exact quote. But what the heck, try it some time. :thumb:

The bottom line is if this was a player or players that averaged 2pts. 1.reb. a game last year we wouldn't be having this conversation the KHSAA wouldn't even look at it and they would be playing at Scott County next year no questions asked and anyone that don't believe that is fooling themselves.

And I wonder if the player that averaged 2 points and a rebound per game would be welcomed with such open arms by his new school and have as many supporters on this board.

This is a complete joke....anyone who doesn't think this is an obvious move based on athletics is crazy. Don't forget the Flannery kid as well.....all three have played together for 5+ years....

Color me crazy. Jobless is jobless. I suppose you'd take your map, blindfold, and donkeytail and blindly stab your new residence if given the same scenario.

All I have to say is if my daughter or son was gifted in academics/athletics/anything, I would move to the place that would provide them the best opportunity to excel. If they were able to attend Harvard for their eduction I would gladly move, if they needed me to. A legit change of address, for whatever reason, should allow the parent to decide the, proposed, future of their child. The only thing that is the sticking point with this situation, is that the parent spoke without caution to how it might be preceived. Bold, but maybe stupid.

And I wonder if the player that averaged 2 points and a rebound per game would be welcomed with such open arms by his new school and have as many supporters on this board.

 

No they wouldn't, but the point is there wouldn't be any discusison at all weather they would be eligible or not so why punish the boys because they are gifted athletes.

Just because a newspaper printed it, doesn't mean it is an exact quote. But what the heck, try it some time. :thumb:

 

Oh come one . . . we all know that everything we read in the paper or see on TV is true and accurate!! :ylsuper:

And I wonder if the player that averaged 2 points and a rebound per game would be welcomed with such open arms by his new school and have as many supporters on this board.

I don't see what any of that has to do with the facts.

 

Any rule that leaves open the option for a commissioner to attempt to discern intent is going to ambiguous at best, and unfairly applied at worst.

 

The "legitimate change of address" exception only requires a legitimate change of address. The fact that it is backed by a legitimate reason for changing address that could not have possibly been orchestrated by Mr. Euton should be more than enough to satisfy the eligibility requirements. Apparently the hearing officer agrees.

 

The fact that the dad allegedly made sports related comments to sports writers should have no bearing on the outcome. The fact that a 2 point 1 rebound per game player could make the exact same transfer without having reporters contact his father is exactly what makes this situation unfair.

 

Everyone seems so concerned with leveling the playing field. How is digging a deeper hole for an accomplished athlete than for an average athlete fair?

He is not working at Toyota in Georgetown. He works in Lexington.

 

And, they don't have any schools in Lexington where his son could have attended? Let's see, Sayre, Lexington Christian, Dunbar, Lexington Catholic, Bryan Station, Tates Creek, Lafayette ........... I work in Georgetown and I am pulling for the Lexington schools against Scott County including Lexington Catholic if these players are ruled eligible and I never thought I would ever say that. These coaches, parents and kids are making a mockery of the KHSAA.

I don't see what any of that has to do with the facts.

My point is simply this: the Euton-Jackson-Scott County cases are anything but typical. Making a hypothetical comparison to some nondescript player going to some nondescript program doesn't carry much water.

The "legitimate change of address" exception only requires a legitimate change of address. The fact that it is backed by a legitimate reason for changing address that could not have possibly been orchestrated by Mr. Euton should be more than enough to satisfy the eligibility requirements. Apparently the hearing officer agrees.

To my knowledge, the hearing officer rarely recommends an ineligible ruling in transfer cases. The fact that the hearing officer came down on the side of Euton and Jackson isn't all that remarkable.

 

And, of course, not everyone believes that the circumstances of the move are simply as the Eutons portray them.

Suspicion, appearances and public opinion do not equate to guilt.

 

"With this he ( Pontius Pilate ) went out again to the Jews and said, "I find no basis for a charge against him. But it is your custom for me to release to you one prisoner at the time of the Passover. Do you want me to release 'the king of the Jews'?" They shouted back, "No, not him! Give us Barabbas!"

 

It appears that human nature has changed little in 2,000 years.

 

I'm still trying to understand how punishing kids and by extension their families is supposed to correct the transgressions of representatives of member schools who have signed up to be governed by the KHSAA, and are the only ones able to do any actual recruiting. (A violation of the rules they created and agreed to abide by. Other than homeschooling and/or not participating in high school athletics, parents and kids have no choice in the matter.) That should be the focus of the KHSAA, along with trying to assist (not punish) every kid under their responsibility.

 

If we're really going to go by "public opinion" let's have public elections for officials at the KHSAA, rather than appointments. Let's give parents more voice in who is supposed to be ensuring the best school experience possible for their kids. (If that's not at least part of the KHSAA's mission, something is very wrong.)

 

I can't imagine how the things kids and parents discuss at school activities is the KHSAA's business. How much more is this true of "non-school" activities. The rule says "a bona fide change of address". Thousands of kids have been ruled eligible on the thinnest evidence, for this most easily verified fact alone. The addition of an exception if the reason for the move is deemed to be for "athletics in whole or part" is absurd, rewarding liars and con artists, and punishing only the honest. This inequity will only be amplified after this case, and will require The Amazing Kreskin on staff.

 

I guarantee that everyone happy with the initial ruling of ineligibility for Euton would be furious if the same thing happened to their own child. I also guarantee that for everyone upset Euton moved to SC, there would be that many more upset if he went somewhere else. The natural move would have been from one private Christian school to another private Christian school like LCA... yeah, I'm sure that one would have sailed right through.

 

Maybe it took a case like this for everyone to see how screwed up the rules actually are.

Edited July 27, 200818 yr by Fastbreak

Suspicion, appearances and public opinion do not equate to guilt.

 

"With this he ( Pontius Pilate ) went out again to the Jews and said, "I find no basis for a charge against him. But it is your custom for me to release to you one prisoner at the time of the Passover. Do you want me to release 'the king of the Jews'?" They shouted back, "No, not him! Give us Barabbas!"

 

It appears that human nature has changed little in 2,000 years.

 

I'm still trying to understand how punishing kids and by extension their families is supposed to correct the transgressions of representatives of member schools who have signed up to be governed by the KHSAA, and are the only ones able to do any actual recruiting. (A violation of the rules they created and agreed to abide by. Other than homeschooling and/or not participating in high school athletics, parents and kids have no choice in the matter.) That should be the focus of the KHSAA, along with trying to assist (not punish) every kid under their responsibility.

 

If we're really going to go by "public opinion" let's have public elections for officials at the KHSAA, rather than appointments. Let's give parents more voice in who is supposed to be ensuring the best school experience possible for their kids. (If that's not at least part of the KHSAA's mission, something is very wrong.)

 

I can't imagine how the things kids and parents discuss at school activities is the KHSAA's business. How much more is this true of "non-school" activities. The rule says "a bona fide change of address". Thousands of kids have been ruled eligible on the thinnest evidence, for this most easily verified fact alone. The addition of an exception if the reason for the move is deemed to be for "athletics in whole or part" is absurd, rewarding liars and con artists, and punishing only the honest. This inequity will only be amplified after this case, and will require The Amazing Kreskin on staff.

 

I guarantee that everyone happy with the initial ruling of ineligibility for Euton would be furious if the same thing happened to their own child. I also guarantee that for everyone upset Euton moved to SC, there would be that many more upset if he went somewhere else. The natural move would have been from one private Christian school to another private Christian school like LCA... yeah, I'm sure that one would have sailed right through.

 

Maybe it took a case like this for everyone to see how screwed up the rules actually are.

 

 

So would you rather the KHSAA just allow all transfers, no matter what the supposed cause is?

I guarantee that everyone happy with the initial ruling of ineligibility for Euton would be furious if the same thing happened to their own child.

I wouldn't necessarily count myself among those happy with the initial ruling of ineligibility, but I understand why the KHSAA ruled that way.

 

And if it was my child, I wouldn't have handled the situation in the same way the Eutons have, particularly Clay Euton's dealings with the media.

I also guarantee that for everyone upset Euton moved to SC, there would be that many more upset if he went somewhere else. The natural move would have been from one private Christian school to another private Christian school like LCA... yeah, I'm sure that one would have sailed right through.

 

Maybe it took a case like this for everyone to see how screwed up the rules actually are.

I vehemently disagree. There probably would have been less controversy had Euton transferred to somewhere besides Scott County, Lexington Catholic and perhaps Lexington Christian. And there would certainly be less if Jackson hadn't ended up at the same school.