So then correct me if I'm wrong, Holmes does indeed have 19 state appearances then...correct?

 

They can claim they have 19, because it is the same school, in the same building, but only added Holmes to the name.

If North Carolina claims they have 5 titles, but really only 4, but claim the Helms Trophy as one and the media recognizes it.

The heading said "current"

 

Listed are the top five in Sweet Sixteen appearances currently in each region

 

Some of those current schools have won other regions besides the one they are in. Westsider gave a full account of the most regional championships, opened or closed.

It sure does. I didn't notice that.:thumb:

They can claim they have 19, because it is the same school, in the same building, but only added Holmes to the name.

If North Carolina claims they have 5 titles, but really only 4, but claim the Helms Trophy as one and the media recognizes it.

Same thing with South Laurel. It's the same school, same building, same gym, as Laurel County. They did take some of their students and formed another school, North Laurel, but I say South Laurel has won two state championships. However, the Sweet 16 program recognizes only one championship for each, Laurel County and South Laurel. But it's really the same facility and same school.

The heading said "current"

 

Listed are the top five in Sweet Sixteen appearances currently in each region

 

Some of those current schools have won other regions besides the one they are in. Westsider gave a full account of the most regional championships, opened or closed.

 

I'd be interested in seeing a list that quantified it only by the region they are currently in. I.E. Scott County just moved to the 11th, how many 11th Region titles do they have. That's how I quantify 4th Region titles when I'm compiling some of my history, because I have a hard time comparing Bowling Green's 11 titles (of which 7 came in 1947 and before, the other 4 from 73-91, and only those 4 in the 4th Region) and Warren Central's 10 titles (all of which came in the 4th Region, all from 1982 on).

Lincoln Grant was the all black school and closed in the early 60's.

My initial reaction was "Who was Lincoln Grant?" ... then I did a Google search and found there was a hyphen in there.

My initial reaction was "Who was Lincoln Grant?" ... then I did a Google search and found there was a hyphen in there.

 

:laugh:

From Cincinati Enquirer, top local prep players of all time.

 

8. TOM THACKER, COVINGTON WILLIAM GRANT (1959)

 

Tom Thacker pitched and played first base for his Catholic Youth Organization team in Covington.

 

And had the option been there to pursue baseball in the 1950s, it's possible Thacker never might have picked up a basketball.

 

"I was a baseball player at heart," he said. "I just couldn't find a good baseball team that I could further my skills with."

 

One sport's loss was another's gain.

 

Thacker became a star basketball player for William Grant - a predominantly black high school in Covington that closed in 1965 - and later would play on UC's 1961 and 1962 national championship teams and win pro championships with the Celtics in 1968 and the Pacers in 1971.

 

"At one time, I played all three positions - center, guard and forward," said Thacker, who averaged 31.7 points a game as a junior and 33.8 as a senior for Grant. "As a 6-2, skinny little kid, I learned how to dribble the ball with my right and left hands to get away from guys.

 

"I was so skinny that when I'd run in there to shoot a layup, they'd just knock me on my butt. So I had to learn how to shoot a jump shot."

 

He dressed with Grant's varsity team as an eighth-grader at Our Savior.

 

As a freshman, Thacker made the all-tournament team at the Kentucky High School Athletic League's 1956 state tournament. The league was the state association for black schools prior to desegregation.

 

As a junior in 1957-58 and senior in 1958-59, he helped Grant reach the KHSAA's Sweet Sixteen.

 

Grant finished the 1957-58 season with a 26-5 record after losing to Hazard 87-49 in the first round at Memorial Coliseum in Lexington.

 

"We had some complications in terms of bad officiating down there at the state tournament," Thacker said. "They didn't understand some of the moves the black players had. ... We did a lot of spinning and twisting and turning, between our legs and around our back. They called several traveling violations on us. Consequently, that changed the whole complexion of the game."

 

In the 1959 tournament, Grant beat Pikeville 72-67 before losing 85-84 to Olive Hill in the second round. Grant finished the season with a 31-7 record.

 

Thacker scored 36 points against Olive Hill and was named to the all-tournament team, and he also was a finalist in Kentucky's Mr. Basketball voting. The KHSAA inducted him into its hall of fame in 1995.

Thanks, bleachercreature, for finding that article on Thacker. I recalled reading it but didn't have the time to find it. There was also someone on Charlie Coleman's "Sports Legends" show (maybe Redmond, Hurst or Bishop or someone else that played at Holmes or Newport in the late 40's or early 50's) that talked about playing exhibition games against Lincoln Grant back when things were still segregated. Whoever it was said that they won the region one year but got destroyed by Lincoln Grant, and they thought Lincoln Grant was probably the best team in the state, but they couldn't play in the Sweet Sixteen.

 

With respect to Holmes' number of regional championships, there was a long drought, from 1951 to 1976, where there weren't any, so it shouldn't be surprising that their total (excluding the Covington High School question) is mostly the "modern era" 9 (1976, 77, 78, 80, 88, 90, 2005, 07, 08).

Is Mason a consolidated school? I saw where someone said Maysville had several titles--Is Mason County a combination of Maysville and some county schools?

Counting this year, this is the Sweetest 16:

 

Owensboro ... 41

Ashland ... 32

Hazard ... 29

Clay County ... 27

Henry Clay ... 26

Paducah Tilghman ... 25

Clark County ... 21

Male ... 20

Maysville ... 18

Central City ... 17

St. Xavier ... 17

Shelby County ... 16

Danville ... 16

Monticello ... 15

Pikeville ... 15

Madisonville ... 14

 

Holmes only has 11, counting this year.

 

As a young aspiring coach, that is my dream job and in my life I have neither played or coached for Ashland, or even so much as lived there.

 

Weird?

Covington & Covington Holmes are one in the same even though the state tournament has them listed seperately. Covington has 8 regional titles and then switched their name to Covington Holmes which has 11 titles. The name change was to honor the late Mr. & Mrs. Holmes who owned the property where the school now sits.

 

Therefore, Covington Holmes has 19 titles which is more than any other 9th region team. Even Ryan Ernst states this in his story from Thursday.

 

"Holmes beat its longtime rival 64-50 on Wednesday night at Conner, claiming its second straight regional title and the program's 19th overall".

Class A school Monticello's 15 Region titles in the 12th is the one that caught my attention. Didn't realize they had done that. Of course, I would assume most of these were in the days of unconslidated schools, but still impressive.

Is Mason a consolidated school? I saw where someone said Maysville had several titles--Is Mason County a combination of Maysville and some county schools?

 

That is true.

Keep in mind, both Mason Co. and Maysville also did farely well before the consolidation.