I did not completely understand your analogy with the move there part.

 

Wherever your child lives, the ADA money is assigned to be spent by the school district IF (and that is a big if) your child attends the public school in that district.

 

If your child does NOT attend the public school in the district of which you live, than unless that assigned (by the state) school district releases the ADA money to another public school district, it stays with the state and NO school district receives any ADA money for your child.

 

Yes, the district would lose the ADA money if a kid moved out of the district but they would also lose the cost of educating that kid. Strictly financially a wash at worse. But in honesty, financially, the ADA money, I don't believe covers the actual costs of educating a kid and local funds are kicked in to cover that cost.

 

Thanks for clearing that up. As to bolded part, of course they'd lose the cost of educating that kid. But with relatively fixed costs (unless the super wants to start laying off teachers which of course they don't want to do), each student's ADA lost caused by the "forced move" necessitated by your proposal has an impact on the budget. How much of an impact depends on how many move of course. Plus there still is the additional negative that could be caused by your proposal, and that is the loss of the entire family to the community if the family moves. To the extent there are younger siblings, not only would you lose the oldest kid wanting to go to another school, once the entire family is forced to move into that school's district, my guess is that you can kiss your chances of getting the younger siblings to attend your school good bye.

 

Don't get me wrong, I think open vs closed split makes a little more sense than a public vs private split, but it wouldn't change much at all. Some window dressing and a stop gap measure, sure. But real change in results, nope.

Your missing the point of my proposal LN, it is NOT to dissuade parents to choose where to send their schools.

 

It is to allow like schools to compete against like schools in a system that allows parents to choose where to send their children to school.

 

I would have no problem with vouchers. I have been a long supporter of vouchers on BGP. That would mean tax money going to private schools.

 

I just want like schools to compete against like schools.

 

Not much different than 6A schools in football competing against other 6A schools.

Your missing the point of my proposal LN, it is NOT to dissuade parents to choose where to send their schools.

 

It is to allow like schools to compete against like schools in a system that allows parents to choose where to send their children to school.

 

I would have no problem with vouchers. I have been a long supporter of vouchers on BGP. That would mean tax money going to private schools.

 

I just want like schools to compete against like schools.

 

Not much different than 6A schools in football competing against other 6A schools.

 

I may be missing your point, then again you may be missing mine. You want to allow like schools to compete against like schools. Open enrollment schools vs other open enrollment schools and closed schools against closed schools. My point was even if you enacted it, I don't think it would provide the desired effect. Highlands could go the closed school route. Do you think that would stop any parent that formerly lived outside the city from sending their kid to Highlands? I don't. I think they'd simply move to Ft. Thomas so their kid could attend Highlands even if it was a closed school. I likewise think that if the privates were required to put some mileage boundary in place, that all it do would result in a large number of parents moving within the mileage boundary. All of them? No of course not. But I think a majority of parents willing to pay big bucks in tuition and willing to drive long or even moderate distances back and forth each day for school and athletic events, would be willing in a lot of cases simply move into the boundaries/school district. If I'm right, that would defeat the purpose of your proposal wouldn't it? Wouldn't it also have an adverse economic effect of varying degrees on the finances of the former school as the move to a new district would reduce ADA monies? Couldn't it also adversely effect the community where the family used to live? (My thinking on this point is along the lines of lets say I was upset with the academic and athletic situation at Highlands. The KHSAA said you had to live within 10 miles of CovCath to attend. I believed in the great importance of the high school education to the point I made the decision to move out of Ft. Thomas into Park Hills. Am I and my family still going to be involved in Ft. Thomas civic matters? Probably not. We're going to get involved in Park Hills civic matters. Ft. Thomas loses out, although some would say it would probably a good thing if I left town:D). Furthermore by being forced to move to a new town so my older child could attend a different high school, it would probably seal the fate that my younger children would not attend Highlands. Instead of losing just one child, the school system may lose all my children and the community lose a family that had been very involved.

 

Bottom line, I believe your proposal may fall into the "be careful what you ask for, you just may get it" category.

I may be missing your point, then again you may be missing mine. You want to allow like schools to compete against like schools. Open enrollment schools vs other open enrollment schools and closed schools against closed schools. My point was even if you enacted it, I don't think it would provide the desired effect. Highlands could go the closed school route. Do you think that would stop any parent that formerly lived outside the city from sending their kid to Highlands? I don't. I think they'd simply move to Ft. Thomas so their kid could attend Highlands even if it was a closed school. I likewise think that if the privates were required to put some mileage boundary in place, that all it do would result in a large number of parents moving within the mileage boundary. All of them? No of course not. But I think a majority of parents willing to pay big bucks in tuition and willing to drive long or even moderate distances back and forth each day for school and athletic events, would be willing in a lot of cases simply move into the boundaries/school district. If I'm right, that would defeat the purpose of your proposal wouldn't it? Wouldn't it also have an adverse economic effect of varying degrees on the finances of the former school as the move to a new district would reduce ADA monies? Couldn't it also adversely effect the community where the family used to live? (My thinking on this point is along the lines of lets say I was upset with the academic and athletic situation at Highlands. The KHSAA said you had to live within 10 miles of CovCath to attend. I believed in the great importance of the high school education to the point I made the decision to move out of Ft. Thomas into Park Hills. Am I and my family still going to be involved in Ft. Thomas civic matters? Probably not. We're going to get involved in Park Hills civic matters. Ft. Thomas loses out, although some would say it would probably a good thing if I left town:D). Furthermore by being forced to move to a new town so my older child could attend a different high school, it would probably seal the fate that my younger children would not attend Highlands. Instead of losing just one child, the school system may lose all my children and the community lose a family that had been very involved.

 

Bottom line, I believe your proposal may fall into the "be careful what you ask for, you just may get it" category.

 

One word, dude........paragraphs.:sssh: You're killing me.

 

I think other schools would have much less of a problem competing against schools in which all of their kids come from within their district boundaries. I am not trying to eliminate the good teams out of a certain division but rather let like schools compete against like schools.

 

I don't think the KHSAA can worry about a proposal that tries to involve itself into non-athletic considerations.

 

And is your scenario any difference than what could happen now? Except, if you chose to still live in Ft. Thomas and attend Cov Cath, schools that only draw from their specific boundaries would be expected to compete against cov Cath.

 

And you wouldn't be forced to move. Remember it is all about parental choice and that would be your choice to move.

I may be missing your point, then again you may be missing mine. You want to allow like schools to compete against like schools. Open enrollment schools vs other open enrollment schools and closed schools against closed schools. My point was even if you enacted it, I don't think it would provide the desired effect. Highlands could go the closed school route. Do you think that would stop any parent that formerly lived outside the city from sending their kid to Highlands? I don't. I think they'd simply move to Ft. Thomas so their kid could attend Highlands even if it was a closed school. I likewise think that if the privates were required to put some mileage boundary in place, that all it do would result in a large number of parents moving within the mileage boundary. All of them? No of course not. But I think a majority of parents willing to pay big bucks in tuition and willing to drive long or even moderate distances back and forth each day for school and athletic events, would be willing in a lot of cases simply move into the boundaries/school district. If I'm right, that would defeat the purpose of your proposal wouldn't it? Wouldn't it also have an adverse economic effect of varying degrees on the finances of the former school as the move to a new district would reduce ADA monies? Couldn't it also adversely effect the community where the family used to live? (My thinking on this point is along the lines of lets say I was upset with the academic and athletic situation at Highlands. The KHSAA said you had to live within 10 miles of CovCath to attend. I believed in the great importance of the high school education to the point I made the decision to move out of Ft. Thomas into Park Hills. Am I and my family still going to be involved in Ft. Thomas civic matters? Probably not. We're going to get involved in Park Hills civic matters. Ft. Thomas loses out, although some would say it would probably a good thing if I left town:D). Furthermore by being forced to move to a new town so my older child could attend a different high school, it would probably seal the fate that my younger children would not attend Highlands. Instead of losing just one child, the school system may lose all my children and the community lose a family that had been very involved.

 

Bottom line, I believe your proposal may fall into the "be careful what you ask for, you just may get it" category.

 

I believe that you are right in that some would move, but maybe, not as many as you would think. Simply because of economics. I also wonder why those you mentioned would change what they they are doing and go to a closed district. Why would they do anything different than they do now. As many have stated private schools would not change, period. Why would Highlands? I do understand what you are saying. I just don't think it fall into the category.

The other thing that negates your point, LN, I think, is the transfer rules. If that move is being done in HS, you are going to have to move to the Cov Cath district anywhoo or your child is going to be declared ineligible for a year.

Public schools don't have boundaries from which to draw their population from either.

 

Now, some public schools choose to self-impose boundaries on their own school district but that is their own choice and nothing the KHSAA mandates.

 

Again, in case anyone forgot, you can't self impose restrictions on your own school district and then complain that others won't do the same. The practice is not only stupid but it is un-American.

 

Good point Guru.

I believe that you are right in that some would move, but maybe, not as many as you would think. Simply because of economics. I also wonder why those you mentioned would change what they they are doing and go to a closed district. Why would they do anything different than they do now. As many have stated private schools would not change, period. Why would Highlands? I do understand what you are saying. I just don't think it fall into the category.

 

 

Obviously we can't know how many would move. Personally, with the growing importance placed on the need for a very solid high school education as well as on high school athletics (right or wrong, its happening and going to get even stronger), I think the number that would move in the urban areas (where the open enrollment situation is most prevalent) would be high. Again, I'll admit, its impossible for me to know that. Right now they don't have to move because schools can accept OOD students if they want to and there are no geographic boundaries imposed on the privates. But if LBBC's proposal open vs closed proposal came into effect and geographic boundaries were now imposed on the privates as the publics have advocated, then there would need to be moves if kid wanted to attend a school that was closed or wanted to attend a private school with geographic boundaries imposed. I have zero idea what Highlands would do if they were forced to make the choice of remaining open or going closed. I only used Highlands as an example.

The other thing that negates your point, LN, I think, is the transfer rules. If that move is being done in HS, you are going to have to move to the Cov Cath district anywhoo or your child is going to be declared ineligible for a year.

 

CovCath doesn't really have a district now so I'm not sure what you are referring to. And the transfer rule doesn't negate my point at all or at least I don't see how it does. Please splain Lucy.

Obviously we can't know how many would move. Personally, with the growing importance placed on the need for a very solid high school education as well as on high school athletics (right or wrong, its happening and going to get even stronger), I think the number that would move in the urban areas (where the open enrollment situation is most prevalent) would be high. Again, I'll admit, its impossible for me to know that. Right now they don't have to move because schools can accept OOD students if they want to and there are no geographic boundaries imposed on the privates. But if LBBC's proposal open vs closed proposal came into effect and geographic boundaries were now imposed on the privates as the publics have advocated, then there would need to be moves if kid wanted to attend a school that was closed or wanted to attend a private school with geographic boundaries imposed. I have zero idea what Highlands would do if they were forced to make the choice of remaining open or going closed. I only used Highlands as an example.

And the bolded should satisfy those who are complaining about the way it is setup today.

 

Schools could chose to be open and compete against other schools that have chose to be open.

 

Schools could choose to be closed and compete against other schools that have chosen to be closed.

 

If you have a problem with whom you are competing against, go to your local board and change your status.

CovCath doesn't really have a district now so I'm not sure what you are referring to. And the transfer rule doesn't negate my point at all or at least I don't see how it does. Please splain Lucy.

 

My understanding is that CovCath has a certain diocese. If a player attended their freshmen year at HHS and then wanted to attend Cov Cath because they were perturbed (your scenario) at HHS, than they would have to have a legal change of residence to be eligible, correct?

My understanding is that CovCath has a certain diocese. If a player attended their freshmen year at HHS and then wanted to attend Cov Cath because they were perturbed (your scenario) at HHS, than they would have to have a legal change of residence to be eligible, correct?

 

Only if they played VARSITY sports.

My understanding is that CovCath has a certain diocese. If a player attended their freshmen year at HHS and then wanted to attend Cov Cath because they were perturbed (your scenario) at HHS, than they would have to have a legal change of residence to be eligible, correct?

As was pointed out, only if they played varsity sports. But I'm not sure why that matters as under the situation I was describing, I contemplated a move into Park Hills anyway. My point, which I'm obviously not making very well, is that if you went to the open vs open and closed vs closed competition that you propose, and schools that currently accept out of district students elected to go the closed route, I think a lot of people would simply move into the closed schools districts so their kids could attend the schools that the parents think best. The transfer rules wouldn't prevent this, since in almost all cases I would think would involve a bona fide change of residence and the kid would be eligible even if he had played varsity sports at his former school.

 

As for whether CovCath has a certain diocese (and again, I'm not sure how this issue is germane to the discussion), I don't think that there is any rule currently preventing a kid living in Campbell County from attending CovCath ( I know of at least one Ft. Thomas resident that does) and there is no rule that prevents a Kenton County resident from attending NewCath (the Canafax boy that graduated from New Cath a couple of years ago lived in the Taylor Mill area).

And the bolded should satisfy those who are complaining about the way it is setup today.

 

Schools could chose to be open and compete against other schools that have chose to be open.

 

Schools could choose to be closed and compete against other schools that have chosen to be closed.

 

If you have a problem with whom you are competing against, go to your local board and change your status.

 

You are my new HERO!

Obviously we can't know how many would move. Personally, with the growing importance placed on the need for a very solid high school education as well as on high school athletics (right or wrong, its happening and going to get even stronger), I think the number that would move in the urban areas (where the open enrollment situation is most prevalent) would be high. Again, I'll admit, its impossible for me to know that. Right now they don't have to move because schools can accept OOD students if they want to and there are no geographic boundaries imposed on the privates. But if LBBC's proposal open vs closed proposal came into effect and geographic boundaries were now imposed on the privates as the publics have advocated, then there would need to be moves if kid wanted to attend a school that was closed or wanted to attend a private school with geographic boundaries imposed. I have zero idea what Highlands would do if they were forced to make the choice of remaining open or going closed. I only used Highlands as an example.

 

I understand that. Privates will never accept boundaries, so they would stay in the open class, I believe all privates would. So others could join them so they would have enough to play.It would be interesting to see who would elect to join them. I think that it is a wonderful plan, the more I look at it and think about it.:thumb: