I expect Christian institutions not to cheat, period. .

 

I think that you could easily hold all schools to the same standards. Whether they are Christian or not should be irrelevant.

I agree about the cheating.

I agree about giving money to kids that are not underprivileged.

 

And there were two different thoughts in my posts that I did not do a good job of separating out.

 

They made a mistake here and Christians make mistakes just like anyone else. They are not perfect. If the requirement to being a Christian is being perfect, churches will be empty on Sundays.

 

Do I say it is okay? No, they were wrong. I would expect them to never do it again.

 

The separate point is that I would assume that there will come a time or has come a time already that their message and job that God expects them to do has to come in conflict with the rules of the KHSAA. This might not have been that time. But I would expect that their might or has come a time that it will.

 

I understand your point. However, I beleive a mistake is when you didn't know it was wrong. I feel like if you directly violate rules when you know they are in place, it goes beyond a mistake. It is unethical. As for your next post, yes, I would expect ALL schools to follow the rules.

I understand your point. However, I believe a mistake is when you didn't know it was wrong. I feel like if you directly violate rules when you know they are in place, it goes beyond a mistake. It is unethical. As for your next post, yes, I would expect ALL schools to follow the rules.

 

Depends on who it is. And I don't know the particulars of the LCA incident.

 

But if my church gave a student a $1000 scholarship to attend LCA, unless we or they tell the church, how would LCA know?

 

And I could guarantee you that the elders of my church have ZERO clue on KHSAA rules.

Depends on who it is. And I don't know the particulars of the LCA incident.

 

But if my church gave a student a $1000 scholarship to attend LCA, unless we or they tell the church, how would LCA know?

 

And I could guarantee you that the elders of my church have ZERO clue on KHSAA rules.

 

LCA knew because the two organizations were linked. They did not even deny knowing.

LCA knew because the two organizations were linked. They did not even deny knowing.

 

If they knew, I would expected them to turn themselves in. If they did not, I would say they made two mistakes and the second may have been the biggest.

 

Now, as I said, Christians are imperfect people just like others and what they have done is easily forgiven. I would expect them to not make this same mistake.

 

If they continue on with this problem, then I would agree that their Christian reputation is damaged.

If they knew, I would expected them to turn themselves in. If they did not, I would say they made two mistakes and the second may have been the biggest.

 

Now, as I said, Christians are imperfect people just like others and what they have done is easily forgiven. I would expect them to not make this same mistake.

 

If they continue on with this problem, then I would agree that their Christian reputation is damaged.

 

The problem is that the punishment has not fit the crime in the least.

This was not done by LCA to encourage or recruit players to their program. These students were already receiving Church scholarships before playing high school athletics. LCA was unaware that this was illegal once they suddenly became a high school athlete. LCA would never knowingly let students receive funds from anyone, if they knew it were breaking rules. Coaches/PLayers are punished for a simple curseword slip, do you really think they would knowingly cheat ? Believe me, this is not the way that this Christain Institution works. It is ran to the best ability possible through glorifying Jesus Christ.

Yep. and leads right back to my point that any separation should occur at the open and closed level and not public/private.:cool:

 

But if you did that, do you honestly think it would solve anything? I don't. Here's my reasoning: if you did what you propose and Highlands went closed, I truly believe that a lot of the parents willing to pay tuition to send their kid to Highlands, when forced to deal with that option being gone, would just move to the Ft. Thomas district so their children could attend Highlands by "right". Net effect to Highlands: probably better. Net effect to the school district that the children had attended prior to the move of residence: loss of ADA revenues. Net effect to the community that the family used to live in: loss of a family (and in some cases, that means a loss of people that would have stayed civiclly involved in the community even if their kids were going to Highlands). At the end of the day, I seriously doubt that going open vs closed will really stop kids from attending the schools that they/their parents think will be best for them. All it will result in is a bunch of families moving and in some cases that will work out to the detriment of the communities that the families used to live in.

But if you did that, do you honestly think it would solve anything? I don't. Here's my reasoning: if you did what you propose and Highlands went closed, I truly believe that a lot of the parents willing to pay tuition to send their kid to Highlands, when forced to deal with that option being gone, would just move to the Ft. Thomas district so their children could attend Highlands by "right". Net effect to Highlands: probably better. Net effect to the school district that the children had attended prior to the move of residence: loss of ADA revenues. Net effect to the community that the family used to live in: loss of a family (and in some cases, that means a loss of people that would have stayed civiclly involved in the community even if their kids were going to Highlands). At the end of the day, I seriously doubt that going open vs closed will really stop kids from attending the schools that they/their parents think will be best for them. All it will result in is a bunch of families moving and in some cases that will work out to the detriment of the communities that the families used to live in.

 

There is no loss of ADA revenues for a kid that was attending a school in another district if they moved to that district. My kid starts attending Highlands next year and my present district nor Highlands gets a penny for her. It stays at the state level. Your scenario would have no adverse effect on the finances of the district.

 

I am not trying to make it a decision to stop the move and there is no detriment to the present school district cause they weren't getting any ADA money for the kid anyways.

 

Just that those schools that accept out of district students/open enrollment compete against like schools. And those that don't, compete against like schools.

 

There is nothing that is encouraging parents to not send their kid to any school that they want.

 

Just let schools compete against schools that are like them.

Yes, we have. But still makes for good discussions with you.:thumb:

 

I will say it is more likely that the students get funneled to one or a small number of good schools in those areas.

 

I go back to my analogy of an elementary school that you will see all over the state. The clique will tell everyone that a certain teacher is the best because the best students are in that class. When in actuality the best teacher may be in the lower kids class who is getting those kids up to reading on grade level when they are several grade levels below.

 

But because the "smartest," "A grouping" kids are all cliqued into one teacher's classroom, that teacher is going to get the reputation of the best teachers because her kids are the smartest.

 

I contend that some of the VERY BEST teaching NKY does not happen at the schools that have reputations of putting out the very best students, it happens at HOLMES high school where they don't have the community and parental advantages of the schools that have the academic reputation.

 

 

I am wayyyy behind in this thread, but this is a BEAUTIFUL post, LBBC!

There is no loss of ADA revenues for a kid that was attending a school in another district if they moved to that district. My kid starts attending Highlands next year and my present district nor Highlands gets a penny for her. It stays at the state level. Your scenario would have no adverse effect on the finances of the district.

 

I am not trying to make it a decision to stop the move and there is no detriment to the present school district cause they weren't getting any ADA money for the kid anyways.

 

Just that those schools that accept out of district students/open enrollment compete against like schools. And those that don't, compete against like schools.

 

There is nothing that is encouraging parents to not send their kid to any school that they want.

 

Just let schools compete against schools that are like them.

 

I'm confused by the bolded part. So what you are saying, if I understand you correctly, is that if I live in Ft. Thomas and my kid attends Highlands, but I get transferred to Falmouth, move there and my kid starts attending Pendleton Co the following year, Pendleton County does not get ADA money for my son attending there? And Highlands doesn't lose any ADA money for my son even though he is no longer attending Highlands? Is that what you are saying?

I'm confused by the bolded part. So what you are saying, if I understand you correctly, is that if I live in Ft. Thomas and my kid attends Highlands, but I get transferred to Falmouth, move there and my kid starts attending Pendleton Co the following year, Pendleton County does not get ADA money for my son attending there? And Highlands doesn't lose any ADA money for my son even though he is no longer attending Highlands? Is that what you are saying?

 

I did not completely understand your analogy with the move there part.

 

Wherever your child lives, the ADA money is assigned to be spent by the school district IF (and that is a big if) your child attends the public school in that district.

 

If your child does NOT attend the public school in the district of which you live, than unless that assigned (by the state) school district releases the ADA money to another public school district, it stays with the state and NO school district receives any ADA money for your child.

 

Yes, the district would lose the ADA money if a kid moved out of the district but they would also lose the cost of educating that kid. Strictly financially a wash at worse. But in honesty, financially, the ADA money, I don't believe covers the actual costs of educating a kid and local funds are kicked in to cover that cost.

...to be spent by the school district IF (and that is a big if) your child attends the public school in that district.

You know...that really is a big "if.".

The administration and coaches in no way went against the mission statement, at LCA. There was no intentional offerings/recruitment to any player of any sport. Kids that had been getting church scholarships to attend LCA since before entering high school and then continuing to get those scholarships once playing sports is what LCA is being punished for. LCA did nothing intentional nor was any program in the athletic department ever recruiting. I am not saying that no private school recruits in this state, but LCA does not-whether you believe or not. The administration and coaches there would not go outside of their mission statement for anything.

 

God Bless.

 

You are right. They simply agree to donate 13,000 to KHSAA, accept the sanctions and change their procedures and sell their version in a full page ad. They did nothing wrong.:rolleyes::lol:

This was not done by LCA to encourage or recruit players to their program. These students were already receiving Church scholarships before playing high school athletics. LCA was unaware that this was illegal once they suddenly became a high school athlete. LCA would never knowingly let students receive funds from anyone, if they knew it were breaking rules. Coaches/PLayers are punished for a simple curseword slip, do you really think they would knowingly cheat ? Believe me, this is not the way that this Christain Institution works. It is ran to the best ability possible through glorifying Jesus Christ.

 

Are you serious???