Check out the PGA that has been and I used the term used by the media, Tiger-proofing the golf courses.

 

After Tiger's dominating win this weekend, Fred Couples lamented that this just made it harder for everyone else when they come to the major that will be competed on Torrey Pines this summer.

 

The PGA will see what Tiger did and redo the course to make it harder for Tiger and try to bring him back to the field for the major.

 

Another example of hundreds of trying to level the playing field in sports.

 

You want some condiments with that keyboard?:lol:

You know I respect you LBBC, but surely you're not using this as an example of a level playing field?

 

Tiger is proof there is no way to level the field for the average PGA contestant. Everyone has been scrambling to lengthen and "Tiger-proof" courses, only to find they've virtually eliminated any opportunity for shorter hitting skill players like the Corey Pavins of the world to compete with Tiger.

 

Tiger just tied Arnold Palmer for 4th on the all time PGA Tour Wins list with 62 wins. He'll catch Ben Hogan at 3rd with 64 (possibly in his next two events.) Only Nicklaus and Sneed are ahead of him. He could catch Nicklaus at 73 wins next year, and Sneed at 82 wins in the next three to four years. Both Nicklaus and Sneed won events in their 50s. Tiger will hold the all time record in his mid 30s with another 20 years to add to it.

 

If the PGA truly wanted to level the field for more PGA Tour pros to compete with Tiger, they would not lengthen the courses, but make the existing "shorter" layouts more difficult to attack with power alone, and require more skill shots and strategy. Equipment could be standardized that would better restrict the flight of the ball... but that's another discussion altogether. :lol:

You CANNOT pay students to come to your school. The KHSAA found that LCA gave scholarships to students that did not have financial need for the help. They also had an outside organization pay to send kids to their school which is completely illegal. They also had kids owe several thousands of dollars to the school upon graduation. They allowed them to graduate without paying the money. This is another form of illegal scholarship. The funniest finding from the KHSAA was the kid on the form that recieved 17,000 in money, but the cost were only 13,000. Blatant cheating is the only term for it. Before people try to defend LCA, they need to read the actual findings from the KHSAA. They are a lot deeper than what was reported in the paper.

 

Geez, Camel's do spit...:banana::banana:

 

I think he meant that you either pay a tuition or do not pay tuition, providing there's a reciprocal agreement...

You know I respect you LBBC, but surely you're not using this as an example of a level playing field?

 

Tiger is proof there is no way to level the field for the average PGA contestant. Everyone has been scrambling to lengthen and "Tiger-proof" courses, only to find they've virtually eliminated any opportunity for shorter hitting skill players like the Corey Pavins of the world to compete with Tiger.

 

Tiger just tied Arnold Palmer for 4th on the all time PGA Tour Wins list with 62 wins. He'll catch Ben Hogan at 3rd with 64 (possibly in his next two events.) Only Nicklaus and Sneed are ahead of him. He could catch Nicklaus at 73 wins next year, and Sneed at 82 wins in the next three to four years. Both Nicklaus and Sneed won events in their 50s. Tiger will hold the all time record in his mid 30s with another 20 years to add to it.

 

If the PGA truly wanted to level the field for more PGA Tour pros to compete with Tiger, they would not lengthen the courses, but make the existing "shorter" layouts more difficult to attack with power alone, and require more skill shots and strategy. Equipment could be standardized that would better restrict the flight of the ball... but that's another discussion altogether. :lol:

 

The strategy to Tiger proof courses is debatable. (For the record, I don't know what you can do with Tiger. He is the best irons player in the world so shortening the course wouldn't do that. Make him play Ryder Cup format that seems to bring him back to the other players. )

 

But that the PGA is attempting to "level the playing field" so that one player or a group of players, long hitters, don't have an advantage is not. It is an example of leveling the playing field that DOES HAPPEN all the time in sports.

 

NASCAR has recently put a limit on the # of cars that an owner can have to prevent a few race teams from dominating and being able to employ strategy in races that others cannot. Another example of attempts to level the playing field.

 

I am still waiting on how that keyboard tasted to miragesmack.:sssh:

The strategy to Tiger proof courses is debatable. (For the record, I don't know what you can do with Tiger. He is the best irons player in the world so shortening the course wouldn't do that. Make him play Ryder Cup format that seems to bring him back to the other players. )

 

But that the PGA is attempting to "level the playing field" so that one player or a group of players, long hitters, don't have an advantage is not. It is an example of leveling the playing field that DOES HAPPEN all the time in sports.

 

NASCAR has recently put a limit on the # of cars that an owner can have to prevent a few race teams from dominating and being able to employ strategy in races that others cannot. Another example of attempts to level the playing field. :thumb:

 

I am still waiting on how that keyboard tasted to miragesmack.:sssh:

You're simply proving my point. Tiger is so far above the average PGA pro, the only way to level the playing field with him would be to articifially add strokes to his score... a handicap.

 

By lengthening the courses, the PGA is only limiting the number of players that can hit it far enough to consistently put pressure on Tiger. Attempting to level the playing field does nothing to actually level it between average competitors and gifted competitors... it simply ensures they are all playing by the same rules. No one will argue the merits of that.

Geez, Camel's do spit...:banana::banana:

 

I think he meant that you either pay a tuition or do not pay tuition, providing there's a reciprocal agreement...

 

It wasn't really a rant towards Guru's post. I have just read numerous post alibing and defending LCA, when if you look at the actual findings, there is nothing to defend. It was as blatant issue of cheating as anything I have ever heard of in this state, and they recieved a slap on the wrist for it. Basically, my comment was a blow up.

You're simply proving my point. Tiger is so far above the average PGA pro, the only way to level the playing field with him would be to articifially add strokes to his score... a handicap.

 

By lengthening the courses, the PGA is only limiting the number of players that can hit it far enough to consistently put pressure on Tiger. Attempting to level the playing field does nothing to actually level it between average competitors and gifted competitors... it simply ensures they are all playing by the same rules. No one will argue the merits of that.

 

Whether it does is a debatable point.

 

My point that the attempt to leveling the playing field is all through sports. Some are successful, some are not.

 

Augusta rolls the greens to kitchen floor status to make the course harder.

NASCAR limits car ownership and coming out with COT in attempts to level the playing field.

Most sports give the worse teams the #1 picks while the best teams get the last picks.

Salary Caps of the NFL.

Luxury taxes in MLB and NBA.

MLB requires that you interview a minority before hiring a manager.

The international basketball rules widens the lane to prevent larger players from dominating.

 

Attempts to leveling the playing field is not some notion that is only held by these actions in KY.

The best post on the cartoon. Cartoons are ridicule, humor, satire. If the posts of many are accepted ...this is about the kids, not adults, then accept the cartoon. It mocks the coaches (adults) who experienced punishments by the KHSAA for the very thing being mocked.

 

The real outrage are for the parents who pony up tens of thousands of dollars to both of these schools for something more over public education. If I was one of those parents you bet I would be screaming at the school leadership. The decisions of the athletic interests in the school overrode the mission statements of the school (and they still have a job:thumb:).

 

The coaches at LCA and Lex Cath that were involved in these past problems deserve the fate and the ridicule. They let the kids down. There is nothing wrong in pointing that out because they expect a fair amount of committment in return to their programs from players and the families. It is a two way street on matters of conduct.

 

It is a cartoon and I wonder how we all would post if the cartoon was showing the KHSAA as spineless and leadership weak?

 

 

The administration and coaches in no way went against the mission statement, at LCA. There was no intentional offerings/recruitment to any player of any sport. Kids that had been getting church scholarships to attend LCA since before entering high school and then continuing to get those scholarships once playing sports is what LCA is being punished for. LCA did nothing intentional nor was any program in the athletic department ever recruiting. I am not saying that no private school recruits in this state, but LCA does not-whether you believe or not. The administration and coaches there would not go outside of their mission statement for anything.

 

God Bless.

Before people try to defend LCA, they need to read the actual findings from the KHSAA. They are a lot deeper than what was reported in the paper.

 

Where are the actual findings? URL?

 

Thanks

LCA had a nice full page ad in the HL on Sunday addressing this issue.

Where are the actual findings? URL?

 

Thanks

 

They are not public on the internet. Have the AD at your school request them from the BOC.

LCA had a nice full page ad in the HL on Sunday addressing this issue.

 

I saw that, too. I thought it went on a bit much.

I saw that, too. I thought it went on a bit much.

 

I think, to say the least, LCA has lost a lot of credibility when it comes to the "Christian" values they are supposed to be teaching their students. I have not seen that article. I would like to see their alibi.

I think, to say the least, LCA has lost a lot of credibility when it comes to the "Christian" values they are supposed to be teaching their students. I have not seen that article. I would like to see their alibi.

 

I disagree.

 

If you expect Christians to be perfect, than yeah, they probably have.

 

But Christians are imperfect people that are going to make mistakes.

 

If the mistakes are the patterns of their life, than I agree with you. Is this LCA's first time they have broken the KHSAA rules?

 

Also, I would think that if they truly following the calling of the Lord, than they will find themselves once again in conflict of what they should do and what the KHSAA allows them to do.

 

Peter told the religious leaders that he would leave it up to them to decide whether he should follow their rules or what God calls them to do.

 

If LCA has a group of students or an individual student that financially cannot afford LCA but needs to come there to get a Christian education, that seems to be in conflict of what God would call them to do and what KHSAA would allow them to do.

 

If we were close, I would hope my church would want to sponsor underprivileged kids who wanted to attend a school with a Christian Education. Who cares about the KHSAA rules when it is about witnessing and serving kids that need to hear the Gospel message?

 

God's message takes precedence over KHSAA rules. There are consequences to that and you don't control the consequences, but the KHSAA rules should be secondary to what God expects from LCA and LexCath or any other Christian based private school.

I disagree.

 

If you expect Christians to be perfect, than yeah, they probably have.

 

But Christians are imperfect people that are going to make mistakes.

 

If the mistakes are the patterns of their life, than I agree with you. Is this LCA's first time they have broken the KHSAA rules?

 

Also, I would think that if they truly following the calling of the Lord, than they will find themselves once again in conflict of what they should do and what the KHSAA allows them to do.

 

Peter told the religious leaders that he would leave it up to them to decide whether he should follow their rules or what God calls them to do.

 

If LCA has a group of students or an individual student that financially cannot afford LCA but needs to come there to get a Christian education, that seems to be in conflict of what God would call them to do and what KHSAA would allow them to do.

 

If we were close, I would hope my church would want to sponsor underprivileged kids who wanted to attend a school with a Christian Education. Who cares about the KHSAA rules when it is about witnessing and serving kids that need to hear the Gospel message?

 

God's message takes precedence over KHSAA rules. There are consequences to that and you don't control the consequences, but the KHSAA rules should be secondary to what God expects from LCA and LexCath or any other Christian based private school.

 

I expect Christian institutions not to cheat, period. They were not sponsoring underprivileged kids. They were serving kids whose parents made plenty of money according to the financial aid standards. I expect a Christian institution to uphold the rules, the same way I would expect my preacher not to have a DUI, or not to get caught using Church funds to gamble at the boat. Does God expect those schools to cheat to get athletes to attend their institutions? I don't think so. Please, this underprivileged statement would hold a lot more water if every child on the indictment wasn't an athlete. It would also hold more water if one of the kids hadn't recieved more money that it even took to go to the school.

I expect Christian institutions not to cheat, period. They were not sponsoring underprivileged kids. They were serving kids whose parents made plenty of money according to the financial aid standards. I expect a Christian institution to uphold the rules, the same way I would expect my preacher not to have a DUI, or not to get caught using Church funds to gamble at the boat. Does God expect those schools to cheat to get athletes to attend their institutions? I don't think so. Please, this underprivileged statement would hold a lot more water if every child on the indictment wasn't an athlete. It would also hold more water if one of the kids hadn't recieved more money that it even took to go to the school.

 

I agree about the cheating.

I agree about giving money to kids that are not underprivileged.

 

And there were two different thoughts in my posts that I did not do a good job of separating out.

 

They made a mistake here and Christians make mistakes just like anyone else. They are not perfect. If the requirement to being a Christian is being perfect, churches will be empty on Sundays.

 

Do I say it is okay? No, they were wrong. I would expect them to never do it again.

 

The separate point is that I would assume that there will come a time or has come a time already that their message and job that God expects them to do has to come in conflict with the rules of the KHSAA. This might not have been that time. But I would expect that their might or has come a time that it will.