Does the khsaa really want to shun the money that the X v. T state game brings in to them?

(Anyone can answer:) Is it better to have the two best teams playing in the finals or have them meet in an earlier round and then one of them play a weaker team in the finals?

To me the answer is clearly obvious...it should be the best teams playing. And for us, we are forntunate that we are generally one of those favorites.

Check out post #68. It happens all the time, every year, all over sports. Only in KY, are we trying to set up a system that tries to guarantee which two teams make the championship game.

You are comparing high school athletics to sports and leagues that generate true revenue. Now, while a Trinity/X football final is a cash cow for the KHSAA, 4 years out of 20 chances aren't odds in your favor, IMO. That said, with what we both are losing, there maybe a chance that neither of us represent the finals next year.

Within reason. Not sure about an EKY district playing a WKY district.

 

So you are against or at least think it would be difficult for East -vs- west before the finals, but fail to realize that geographically speaking, Trinity is in the east and St. Xavier is in the west. You can argue against them being designated that way, but you had better have a viable option as to figure out how to evenly split the state while keeping Louisville as one.

I'd like to hear the whining if X and T were put in the same District!:banana:

So you are against or at least think it would be difficult for East -vs- west before the finals, but fail to realize that geographically speaking, Trinity is in the east and St. Xavier is in the west. You can argue against them being designated that way, but you had better have a viable option as to figure out how to evenly split the state while keeping Louisville as one.

 

Driving from T to X is much different than driving from Belfry to Paducah. THat is the point I was making. Belfry driving to Paducah would seem to give a Paducah team a HUGE advantage. X driving to T wouldn't give T the huge advantage.

 

That is the point I was trying to make.

I'd like to hear the whining if X and T were put in the same District!:banana:

 

Why are they not? NKY is the same district, right? Lexington is the same district, right?

I'd like to hear the whining if X and T were put in the same District!:banana:

 

We were in the same district from 1959 until 1972. Trinity should never have been in the City district, but it was done to prevent a Trinity-Flaget or Trinity-St. X AAA final which was a self contained Jefferson County entity back then(Trinity has always existed in St. Matthews, not Louisville). Trinity and St. X were split into separate districts within the City region and then the 1975 push by the KHSAA membership outside Jefferson County begged to compete with the Jefferson County Champion for the AAAA title. Many things were tried to handicap these two teams, like their annual game when they were not in the same district, still counted towards their district records. I believe this kept St. X out of the playoffs once. Trinity has made it every year since 1972.

 

Earlier post discussed the changing of gears at Trinity in 1999. The best athletes were usually placed on defense prior to the arrival of Kevin Wright and Andrew Coverdale. Trinity went from emphasizing shutouts to increasing the emphasis of scoring as many points as quickly as possible.

 

This chart illustrates what I am talking about. The actual numbers for the 2000s may have changed slightly since I have not added this years points. The w-l and state titles are updated. Wn=Wins Ls=Losses T=Ties 1st=State titles Pt F= Average points scored by THS. Pt A= Average points allowed by THS.

 

 

Wn Ls T 1st Pt F Pt A

022 20 4 00 13.6 11.7 1950s

051 42 2 01 16.0 12.4 1960s

100 19 1 04 23.7 06.6 1970s

115 14 0 05 23.7 07.1 1980s

103 30 0 02 25.2 11.0 1990s

102 12 0 06 41.4 11.4 2000s

Talked to a NKY football coach last night that indicated in his opinion X was badly outcoached by T in the championship game, this year.

 

That gives credence to the post earlier that the new coach at T has been the reason for T's run of success in the 2000's.

Are X and Trinity in the same district and/ region in basketball, baseball, soccer ect.... If they are then why the split in football. If they aren't then so be it.

 

 

 

Not necessarily so. It depends on how many schools in the state play the respective sport. Not all schools that play basketball play football. What the KHSAA tries to do is look at each sport individually and determine logical districts based on the number of schools playing that sport. For example, a lot fewer schools play fast pitch softball then girls basketball as I recall. Plus the single gender schools play some sports but don't play other sports. Which results in the districts for one sport looking different for other sports. Some effort is made, where possible, to keep the districts the same for sports, but it does not drive the final decision.

 

Frankly I don't think the average X and T fan cares if their teams meet before the football championship game (other than the fact that they think the playoffs are being gerrymander in a discriminatory manner against them to appease some big public school coaches). The X and T fans know that in almost all years they are going to have to beat one another and it doesn't matter if they lose in the semis, the quarters or the state game. Any thing less than a championship is painful. The same is true I believe of the Highlands CovCath rivalry. To me it doesn't matter if we lose to them in the second, third or fourth game of the playoffs or in the state championship. A loss, whenever it happens in the playoffs, is still a loss. I would have found no better solace last year if we'd have lost to CovCath in the third game over the second game. It was painful. And I have to believe the CovCath fans feel the same way.

Why are they not? NKY is the same district, right? Lexington is the same district, right?

 

There are 6 6A schools in Northern Kentucky

 

There are 4 6A schools in Lexington

 

There are 11 6A schools in Jefferson County (Bullitt Central rounds out the 4the teams in one district).

 

Should there be just 1 district with 11 schools in it?

There are 6 6A schools in Northern Kentucky

 

There are 4 6A schools in Lexington

 

There are 11 6A schools in Jefferson County (Bullitt Central rounds out the 4the teams in one district).

 

Should there be just 1 district with 11 schools in it?

 

Nope, understand. Thanks:thumb:

Will this also end the rotating districts?

I posted this in another thread and thought it applies here better:

 

Only listing 6A formerly 4A

2007: 15,6?? T/X (BirdieCat added)

2006: 10,623 Trinity/Ryle

2005: 21,424 T/X

2004: 11,024 X/Scott County

2003: 26,430 T/X

2002: 20,511 T/Male

2001: 20,485 T/Male

2000: 10,119 Male/T

1999: 11,640 X/Bryan Station

1998: 8,231 Male/Tate Creek

1997: 22,760 X/T

1996: 8,145 Nelson/Paul Dunbar

1995: 9,135 X/Henry Clay

1994: 11,425 T/Boone

1993: 3,820 Male/Shelby

1992: 6,685 X/Boone

1991: 11,575 George rogers/X

1990: 8,376 T/Warren Central

1989: 3,470 T/Wareen Central

1988: 8,300 T/Manual

1987: 6,800 Shelby/Boone

 

Thanks TD. I think this is a pretty good representation. I find it to be very interesting.

 

(Assumption: The average ticket over the last 21 years is $6.50, and is for demonstration purposes only. It's not scientific or factual.)

 

1. In years when neither St. X nor Trinity played (4 yrs) - Average Attendance is 6,749

Translates to (6,749 * $6.50 = $43,869/yr) * 4 yrs = $175,474

2. In years when only one or the other played (13 yrs) - Average Attendance is 10,122

Translates to (10,122 * $6.50 = $65,793/yr) * 13 yrs = $855,309

3. In years when both St. X and Trinity played (4 yrs) - Average Attendance is 21,574

Translates to (21,574 * $6.50 = $140,231/yr) * 4 yrs = $561,924

 

KHSAA total take for the 21 years = $1,592,707

 

The KHSAA should take note that in years when St. X and Trinity are in the final game their attendance numbers and gate are off the chart by comparison to years when only one of the two are in there. When one compares it to years when neither one makes it to the State game; it gets worse.

 

Taking this one step further: IF St. X and Trinity were on opposite sides of the bracket, allowing them the chance to play every year of the last 21 years and assuming only an 80% chance they were both good enough to make it there, which is 17 of the 21 years. Then the KHSAA would make

(21,574 * 6.5 = $140,231) * 17 = $2,383,927 in years St. X plays Trinity, which doesn't include the other 4 years gate. Just these 17 years nets them almost $800,000 more. Add in the other 4 years and you get close to, if not over, $1.5M.

 

I know it's not supposed to be all about the money, but these numbers are hard to ignore.

And I restate my question. BESIDES the Bowl Championship Series in college football, what team athletic competition does this?

 

I'm getting late into this, and maybe misunderstanding your position LBC; but in answer to your question:

 

1. The NCAA tourneys (Baseball, Basketball) all are seeded with the clear goal in mind to have the best teams have the easiest path to a championship game.

 

2. Most softball tourneys I've been in do this as well.

 

3. More tourneys are designed this way than are not.