August 23, 200719 yr I'm truly having difficulty understanding this thing...and I'm truly trying to see it....but, If a child lives in, say Erlanger Lloyd's school system, but chooses to go to St Henry or CCH or whatever; and then the private schools are separated from the publics in athletic competition; what is the desired result? A) to pursuade that kid to change his/her mind and go to Lloyd? B) to improve self esteem in the kids at Lloyd because their winning percentage goes up whatever percentage their former private schedule was of their total schedule? C) to increase Lloyd's chance of going further in various post season events? (somewhat tied to 'B' I guess) D) to simply punish the kid who did not choose the school that had 'rights' to them? E) other? I'm genuinely not being rhetorical, what is the answer? Anybody? We always get lost in the semantics of a vague and unenforceable situation...but nobody knows what the point or desired result really is...
August 23, 200719 yr I think if Lloyd and any other schools that want to participate in a boycott want to be consistent they would need to boycott Independent school districts. And so now we move on to Round Two. This is precisely the scenario I predicted would occur over a year ago. "Leveling the playing field" is a subjective, self-serving inexact proposition. Today its privates, tomorrow its independents, Saturday its open enrollment districts, Sunday its schools with wimpy mascots . . . There can be no end to this. there can be NO perfect set-up. NO competition can be totally fair in the eyes of every competitor. You cannot rail against the perceived advantages of a select group yet totally ignore the advantages of another.
August 23, 200719 yr Right, aside from tuition students though, there is no difference. That's what I meant by best of both worlds. They have the ability to "recruit", if you will, not that they do. But still get the funding that some private schools dream about getting. And yet small independent school districts are shrinking by the day and their funding is drying up. You really need to check what's going on in places like Dayton, Ludlow, etc. before making assumptions in terms of funding. I don't think you'll find the economic picture all that bright. Yes there are districts like Walton where funding is on the rise due to that magical state formula called SEEK, but they are few and far between around the NKy. area.
August 23, 200719 yr Bad Assumptions: regardless of where you live you must have a contract to attend another public school unless you do it illegally. The two people you mentioned had residency in the case of one and an employees child in the case of the other.
August 23, 200719 yr Public, private debate hits NKY “That really doesn’t affect us,” Sander said “We really don’t have a non-conference schedule with private schools anyway. We play private schools up here in district and in conference play and we’ll continue to do that. ” :confused: :confused:
August 23, 200719 yr , Sunday its schools with wimpy mascots . . . . Many schools would like to boycott Highlands.
August 23, 200719 yr Bad Assumptions: regardless of where you live you must have a contract to attend another public school unless you do it illegally. The two people you mentioned had residency in the case of one and an employees child in the case of the other. Which post are you referring to?
August 23, 200719 yr Right, aside from tuition students though, there is no difference. That's what I meant by best of both worlds. They have the ability to "recruit", if you will, not that they do. But still get the funding that some private schools dream about getting. Lets get this straight and clear once and for all. An independent school is a public school. It has certain defined school district boundaries just like a county school has certain defined boundaries. An independant school district's Board of Education can, just like a county school's BOE, elect to admit kids living outside of those boundaries. If the school has a reciprocity agreement with the school district in which the kid resides the "sending school"), then the receiving school gets the ADA money from the state. If there is no reciprocity agreement, the receiving school can have the out of district student pay tuition. There is no law requiring tuition to be paid by out of districts students, but all schools that I am aware of, do so. Frankly as a tax payer, I want Highlands to accept out of district students and charge them tuition if we have room because it further dilutes the fixed costs of operating the school (heat, building maintenance, teacher's salaries, etc). Its just gravy revenue. If that makes it the best of both worlds for the independent in your mind, then the county schools also have the best of both worlds. They are both public schools with the exact same rights when it comes to out of district students. Oh, and I agree with other posters: the Derek and Jared examples were bad ones.
August 23, 200719 yr Too complicated LN, let me try. An independent school is a public school that is independent from the county board of education. Examples are Ludlow, Covington, Dayton, Ft. Thomas, Bellevue, Ft. Mitchell and Newport.
August 23, 200719 yr Public, private debate hits NKY :confused: :confused: From article: Most local public school officials said they were happy to see Proposal 2 fail and that they would continue to schedule private schools. “We have never been a supporter of Proposal 2,” said Holmes athletic director Ron Madrick. “And we’re certainly not going to boycott any private schools. That’s the position of our athletic department, our school and our superintendent. We don’t want any part of that garbage.” Wow!
August 23, 200719 yr Public, private debate hits NKY :confused: :confused: Precisely. He's asking for a boycott, but he's not asking for a boycott?
August 23, 200719 yr I'm truly having difficulty understanding this thing...and I'm truly trying to see it....but, If a child lives in, say Erlanger Lloyd's school system, but chooses to go to St Henry or CCH or whatever; and then the private schools are separated from the publics in athletic competition; what is the desired result? A) to pursuade that kid to change his/her mind and go to Lloyd? B) to improve self esteem in the kids at Lloyd because their winning percentage goes up whatever percentage their former private schedule was of their total schedule? C) to increase Lloyd's chance of going further in various post season events? (somewhat tied to 'B' I guess) D) to simply punish the kid who did not choose the school that had 'rights' to them? E) other? I'm genuinely not being rhetorical, what is the answer? Somebody please help me out!! Is my post simply too juvenile and off base to answer? Maybe I am the only one too stupid to understand and you don't want to hurt my feelings. Or I am alone here, stuck on the obvious? I can handle it...give it to me! WHAT DO THE PROPONENTS OF THIS ACTUALLY WANT TO ACCOMPLISH? ie: the intended result...the improvement in the system....how will we know when it's better?....how will we objectively know when we get there? how do we measure it? We cannot set about changing something if we cannot even define the what we want the result to be! And please don't just say 'level the playing field' without defining / explaining what that means and how we know we have it....objectively...
August 23, 200719 yr Somebody please help me out!! Is my post simply too juvenile and off base to answer? Maybe I am the only one too stupid to understand and you don't want to hurt my feelings. Or I am alone here, stuck on the obvious? I can handle it...give it to me! WHAT DO THE PROPONENTS OF THIS ACTUALLY WANT TO ACCOMPLISH? ie: the intended result...the improvement in the system....how will we know when it's better?....how will we objectively know when we get there? how do we measure it? We cannot set about changing something if we cannot even define the what we want the result to be! And please don't just say 'level the playing field' without defining / explaining what that means and how we know we have it....objectively... Your post is too logical. The publics can't give an answer on their intentions. "Level the playing field." Lloyd is losing students to SHDHS b/c parents feel that SHDHS is a superior product. Eliminating them from their schedule will do nothing to keep students from going there. Lloyd needs to take the onus on itself and give the families a reason to send their kids there.
August 23, 200719 yr Your post is too logical. The publics can't give an answer on their intentions. "Level the playing field." Lloyd is losing students to SHDHS b/c parents feel that SHDHS is a superior product. Eliminating them from their schedule will do nothing to keep students from going there. Lloyd needs to take the onus on itself and give the families a reason to send their kids there. I always thought Lloyd tested pretty high academically...
August 23, 200719 yr Somebody please help me out!! Is my post simply too juvenile and off base to answer? Maybe I am the only one too stupid to understand and you don't want to hurt my feelings. Or I am alone here, stuck on the obvious? I can handle it...give it to me! WHAT DO THE PROPONENTS OF THIS ACTUALLY WANT TO ACCOMPLISH? ie: the intended result...the improvement in the system....how will we know when it's better?....how will we objectively know when we get there? how do we measure it? We cannot set about changing something if we cannot even define the what we want the result to be! And please don't just say 'level the playing field' without defining / explaining what that means and how we know we have it....objectively... My brother, you've asked a question with no known answer.
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