August 8, 200719 yr Good now I can watch re-runs of the World Series of Poker and forget about the record :thumb: :thumb:
August 8, 200719 yr Most people gain a considerable amount of weight from the time they are 22 until 42. Ouch...!
August 8, 200719 yr Random thoughts: * Barry Bonds is unjustly villified as the "bad guy" in the steriods era, partly because his numbers make him high profile, and probably moreso because he is a jerk. * I just don't get the hatred towards him. From the time the MLB banned steroids until now, he hasn't failed a drug test. If he was doing them before, and I absolutely believe he was (with about 1,000 of his peers in tow), he wasn't breaking any rule established by the sport. Is it really his fault that MLB was slow to react? * MLB's hanlding of the Steroid situation, from the word go, has been ridiculous. You put your head in the sand for years and don't react until an ex-player writes a book that you feign surprise in reading? Silly. * As someone else alluded to, there were "enhancers" during many other eras, as Peter Edward Rose himself admitted to using things to keep himself up. Same thing? No. Banned by baseball at the time? Still no. * The "holier than thou" approach to the steriod players (the alleged ones, like Bonds and McGwire) cracks me up. Since the game got off their rump and banned them they never failed anything. Now Palmeiro, on the other hand, deserves to be the real Villain in all of this and righly shouldn't be electd into the Hall for breaking the rule once it was in place. He is the one the angst should be directed towards. * I truly believe the real penalty that all of these guys will face is yet to come -- their body breaking down far earlier than it should and costing them valuable years with their kids and grandkids. It is then, and only then, that they'll have to look in the mirror and decide if it was all worth it.
August 8, 200719 yr h.s.sportsrbest, I think you said it all and I have to agree with you, they will all pay for it in the end. I am glad it is over and we can all go on with what will happen next. Congrats to Barry on 756 ! It is over :dancingpa :dancingpa :dancingpa JD
August 8, 200719 yr Random thoughts: * Barry Bonds is unjustly villified as the "bad guy" in the steriods era, partly because his numbers make him high profile, and probably moreso because he is a jerk. * I just don't get the hatred towards him. From the time the MLB banned steroids until now, he hasn't failed a drug test. If he was doing them before, and I absolutely believe he was (with about 1,000 of his peers in tow), he wasn't breaking any rule established by the sport. Is it really his fault that MLB was slow to react? * MLB's hanlding of the Steroid situation, from the word go, has been ridiculous. You put your head in the sand for years and don't react until an ex-player writes a book that you feign surprise in reading? Silly. * As someone else alluded to, there were "enhancers" during many other eras, as Peter Edward Rose himself admitted to using things to keep himself up. Same thing? No. Banned by baseball at the time? Still no. * The "holier than thou" approach to the steriod players (the alleged ones, like Bonds and McGwire) cracks me up. Since the game got off their rump and banned them they never failed anything. Now Palmeiro, on the other hand, deserves to be the real Villain in all of this and righly shouldn't be electd into the Hall for breaking the rule once it was in place. He is the one the angst should be directed towards. * I truly believe the real penalty that all of these guys will face is yet to come -- their body breaking down far earlier than it should and costing them valuable years with their kids and grandkids. It is then, and only then, that they'll have to look in the mirror and decide if it was all worth it. Your use of the "*" is interesting.
August 8, 200719 yr I heard Barry say that Bud called him, congratulated him, said he handled it well, and said "we'll talk soon." Uh, Barry. I don't think that's s a good thing.
August 8, 200719 yr Your use of the "*" is interesting. Don't read too much into it. I use the asterisk in that style frequently. Completely unintentional. I think the record is his and deservedly so. Am I excited at it being broken, no. But again, moreso because I think he is a jerk and not any steriod-related issue.
August 8, 200719 yr Bonds has hit more homeruns in his major career than has any other player. For that he should be lauded. Official At Bats: Ruth 8,398 Aaron 12,364 Bonds 9,774 Homeruns: Ruth 714 Aaron 755 Bonds 756 Batting Average Ruth .342 Aaron .305 Bonds .298 Bonds and Aaron are/were among the best hitters to ever play the game. Bonds, in particular, hit most of his homeruns in an era when the longball is far too common. Ruth, on the other hand, often hit more home runs than did entire opposing teams. You must put all of these records into context and, when you do, Ruth is still at the head of the class by a great margin. The same argument can be easily made for Cobb over Rose but that is a subject for another thread. Still, Bonds deserves credit for what he accomplished.
August 8, 200719 yr . Completely unintentional. . A psychologist (or Dr Phil) would maybe say that is your true feeling coming from your subconscious.
August 8, 200719 yr Bonds and Aaron are/were among the best hitters to ever play the game. Bonds, in particular, hit most of his homeruns in an era when the longball is far too common. Ruth, on the other hand, often hit more home runs than did entire opposing teams. You must put all of these records into context and, when you do, . Be careful. I've discovered this bunch is not into context too much. HSSRB is getting ready to recite his history lesson from the Biggio discussion.
August 8, 200719 yr Random thoughts: * I truly believe the real penalty that all of these guys will face is yet to come -- their body breaking down far earlier than it should and costing them valuable years with their kids and grandkids. It is then, and only then, that they'll have to look in the mirror and decide if it was all worth it. That being said, it comes off that Barry will decide that it was well worth it. And that arrogance/attitude is what separates Bonds from the Sosas/McGwires/Raffy's of the baseball world. All those guys are likeable so far as we can tell. All the other points you make are valid, I'd have to say. MLB is at just as much fault as Barry for this whole situation. Barry's the easier target because he's such a jerk. That's his fault. As for the "show me proof" argument...how weak. Sounds an awful lot like "yeah, there's probably proof out there, it just hasn't been found yet and I hope it never is". Here's to A-Rod being the all-time HR king.
August 8, 200719 yr I have no respect for the player Bonds is today. I hope something is done where his record is wiped away. Yes other players used steroids but what records to Mcguire and Sosa own that are just as respected as the home run record? Bonds is a cheater! Proof will show itself soon enough.
August 8, 200719 yr Bonds eclipsed the HR record and I say well done. We often assume that because players were bigger, stronger, body types changing that "they must be doing something illegal". I don't think enhancements, transform your body into muscle, unless you put in the time of working out, also. Canseco, McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, Palmiero and others, have been under the same scrutiny for enhancements, one even being caught. With that said, a player still have to swing the bat and hit a HR. Bonds started out in 1986, as a young, sleek, fleet-footed CF, with a great arm and probably a 5-tool player. He's evolved over the years, from the 500/500 club, to still one of the most feared hitters in the game. His intentional BB record, is one that may never be broken. Until proven otherwise, the accomplishments on the field speak for themselves and like him or not....Bonds is the all-time HR leader.
August 8, 200719 yr Random thoughts: * Barry Bonds is unjustly villified as the "bad guy" in the steriods era, partly because his numbers make him high profile, and probably moreso because he is a jerk. * I just don't get the hatred towards him. From the time the MLB banned steroids until now, he hasn't failed a drug test. If he was doing them before, and I absolutely believe he was (with about 1,000 of his peers in tow), he wasn't breaking any rule established by the sport. Is it really his fault that MLB was slow to react? * MLB's hanlding of the Steroid situation, from the word go, has been ridiculous. You put your head in the sand for years and don't react until an ex-player writes a book that you feign surprise in reading? Silly. * As someone else alluded to, there were "enhancers" during many other eras, as Peter Edward Rose himself admitted to using things to keep himself up. Same thing? No. Banned by baseball at the time? Still no. * The "holier than thou" approach to the steriod players (the alleged ones, like Bonds and McGwire) cracks me up. Since the game got off their rump and banned them they never failed anything. Now Palmeiro, on the other hand, deserves to be the real Villain in all of this and righly shouldn't be electd into the Hall for breaking the rule once it was in place. He is the one the angst should be directed towards. * I truly believe the real penalty that all of these guys will face is yet to come -- their body breaking down far earlier than it should and costing them valuable years with their kids and grandkids. It is then, and only then, that they'll have to look in the mirror and decide if it was all worth it. Everyone please read this post, because it awesome... :thumb:
August 8, 200719 yr Bonds is a cheater! Proof will show itself soon enough. Did he use enhancements once they were banned by Baseball? If so, how has he avoided a positive drug test when you know he takes as many or more than anyone else? YES he used steriods. NO they weren't banned by baseball at the time. YES Rafael Palmeiro failed a drug test since baseball woke up. How is Bonds the cheater? I just don't get it and evidently never will. Again, Bonds is a jerk, no argument from me.
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