Craig Biggio, 1st ballot?

[oldrambler]

^ So are you saying Biggio doesn't deserve to be in?

:thumb: I was wondering the same thing.

 

Biggio IMO defintely is a Hall of Fame player, No Question.

[UKMustangFan]

^He completely revolutionized the 2B position, IMO he's in regardless of what type of voting you have.

[cshs81]

^He completely revolutionized the 2B position, IMO he's in regardless of what type of voting you have.

 

How did he revolutionize it?

[STRIKE3]

Biggio is one of my all-time favorite players. Does anyone remember, when he started as a Catcher....

[bugatti]

I have kind of changed my stance with Biggio....

 

This is my problem with HOF voting and baseball. Too many numbers thrown at me. Give me the feel test for Biggio and other stat compiliers.

 

1st Ballot should be reserved for the elite of the elite of the elite. If Craig Biggio is 1st ballot, then standards are getting too low for the HOF, imo.

[UKMustangFan]

How did he revolutionize it?

 

 

He was the first 2B that I know of that had any type of power. He's hit 20+ HR's 8 times. Now you have guys like Phillips, Utley, Kent, playing there that are 20-30 HR guys. Before Biggio, was that ever around? I can't remember anyone before Biggio that had that kind of power at 2B

[cshs81]

He was the first 2B that I know of that had any type of power. He's

 

That tells me then that you're fairly young.

[h.s.sportsrbest]

He was the first 2B that I know of that had any type of power. He's hit 20+ HR's 8 times. Now you have guys like Phillips, Utley, Kent, playing there that are 20-30 HR guys. Before Biggio, was that ever around? I can't remember anyone before Biggio that had that kind of power at 2B

 

Joe Morgan?

Ryne Sandberg?

Bobby Grich?

 

Umm, your youth is showing.

 

 

I still think Biggio is in on the first ballot and should be. Character, in conjunction with great stats and longevity, should stand for something. He is what baseball is all about and I think he'll be rewarded for it.

[UKMustangFan]

That tells me then that you're fairly young.

 

 

I was going to include in there, that I'm young, so I didn't see any guys before the 90s....

 

I guess I stand corrected.

[98NCCalum]

^He completely revolutionized the 2B position, IMO he's in regardless of what type of voting you have.

I'm still young, sort of, and even I scratched my head at that one.

[98NCCalum]

Ryno was around in the 90's as was Jeff Kent...

[oldrambler]

Biggio is one of my all-time favorite players. Does anyone remember, when he started as a Catcher....

:thumb: catcher, CF, 2b, and I believe that he also played 3rd at one time.

[oldrambler]

I was going to include in there, that I'm young, so I didn't see any guys before the 90s....

 

I guess I stand corrected.

Yep, they had you on that one;) but I still agree with you on Biggio should go in the HOF.:thumb:

[Bandit29]

He should be in on the 1st ballot.

[AverageJoesGym]

Does he also get credit for revolutionizing the "Pine Tar Helmet?"