Carbon-14 and radiometric dating suffers from assumptions. It's a good mechanism for dating organic material in historical times, but when you move into prehistoric dating, the assumptions become more tenuous. For example, to use Carbon-14 dating, you must assume that:

*Carbon 14 is in equilibrium - Nitrogen has been converted into C14 through neutron bombardment in the upper atmosphere at the same rate over thousands of years

 

*It assumes no change in the geomagnetic field intensity

 

*It ignores the possibility of sedimentary carbonates once being a part of the world atmospheric carbon inventory.

 

*It assumes no contamination from other natural sources.

 

*Tree-ring calibration has proved to be unreliable.

 

"The troubles of the radiocarbon dating method are undeniably deep and serious. Despite 35 years of technological refinement and better understanding, the underlying assumptions have been strongly challenged.... It should be no surprise, then, that fully half of the dates are rejected. The wonder is, surely, that the remaining half comes out to be accepted. There are gross discrepancies, the chronology is uneven and relative, and the accepted dates are actually selected dates." (Robert E. Lee, Anthropological Journal of Canada, Vol. 19, no. 3, 1981, p.9)

 

“Throughout the conference emphasis was placed on the fact that laboratories do not measure ages, they measure sample activities. The connection between activity and age is made through a set of assumptions... one of the main assumptions of C14 dating is that the atmospheric radiocarbon level has held steady over the age range to which the method applies.” (Report on 14th Conference, 145 International Scientists, Science, Vol. 150, p. 1490.)

 

Are there no assumptions or faith used when reading the Bible?

 

Honest to goodness - Do you realize that it is a minority of Christians who believe the Bible is literal, word for word? That was not even taught at the flagship Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville until the mid 1990s

 

It is not taught now in places like Truett (Baylor) and Mercer or at Wake Forest.

When it comes to religious beliefs, I'm perfectly comfortable being in the minority on some things. I'm only trying to work out my own salvation and the only path I can find to my desired destination is through Jesus Christ and the Bible. So I study the Bible, trying to rightly divide the Word of Truth therein, while neither adding nor taking away from its message.

 

It does not bother me if my chosen path is considered narrow. In fact, I think there is something in there about where that path leads.

When it comes to religious beliefs, I'm perfectly comfortable being in the minority on some things. I'm only trying to work out my own salvation and the only path I can find to my desired destination is through Jesus Christ and the Bible. So I study the Bible, trying to rightly divide the Word of Truth therein, while neither adding nor taking away from its message.

 

It does not bother me if my chosen path is considered narrow. In fact, I think there is something in there about where that path leads.

Well said... :thumb:

When it comes to religious beliefs, I'm perfectly comfortable being in the minority on some things. I'm only trying to work out my own salvation and the only path I can find to my desired destination is through Jesus Christ and the Bible. So I study the Bible, trying to rightly divide the Word of Truth therein, while neither adding nor taking away from its message.

 

It does not bother me if my chosen path is considered narrow. In fact, I think there is something in there about where that path leads.

 

Yeah, who cares if a thousand years of biblical scholarship goes against what someone in the last 50 years has chosen to teach.

It does not bother me if my chosen path is considered narrow. In fact, I think there is something in there about where that path leads.

I like to believe there are many paths to the promised land.

 

Yours is probably the express lane; but I guess some of us just have more than ten items.

Women with smaller hips used to not be able to have babies - of course not all women . . .

 

and for the record - i grabbed several silly examples to make a point - there is change that takes place over time regardless or what pushes that change.

Change does happen over time within the same species only. This is micro-evolution. Macro-evolution which is change across species is a fallacy. That is why evolutionists need vasts amounts of time (thus the billions of years) for this to even begin to be plausible. Macro evolution is nothing but a lie. Period.

Change does happen over time within the same species only. This is micro-evolution. Macro-evolution which is change across species is a fallacy. That is why evolutionists need vasts amounts of time (thus the billions of years) for this to even begin to be plausible. Macro evolution is nothing but a lie. Period.

 

I have to say...I totally disagree with you, but I love your avatar! :thumb:

My religion doesn't see a conflict between evolution and religion. I spent 14 years in religious schools (eight years of grammar school, four years of high school and the first two years of college). I was taught about evolution in biology class by a priest. It isn't strange at all.

Your religion may not see a conflict between evolution and religion. The reason being it is simply a religion. However, a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ is more than a religion---- it is a saving faith brought about by a work of the Holy Spirit and nothing that is within us. Belief in evolution takes faith (a whole lot of faith in my opinion) as well as does belief in Intelligent Design. You obviously do not believe the Bible (from cover to cover) is the inherrant, inspired Word of God. That is why you have no problem marrying the two theories. God used men to pen the Words of the Bible but the Words are His----God breathed. Unlike what most University and college professors would have you to believe these days---there is such a thing as absolute Truth . . . truth is never relative. Somebody is wrong. Somebody is right. I personally believe that the Bible IS the final authority. You will never see the error in the Darwinian theory of evolution until you understand that the Bible is indeed the final authority, without error and inspired of God . . . from Genesis to Revelation. You are entitled to your belief but it cannot be proven and has been and is being shown to be false almost daily (Carbon dating, missing link, etc.) you are simply a dupe of this lie. However, I am sure that my meager attempts to disuade you from its grip will prove futile . . . I won't even begin to try simply because within myself I cannot, it will take the Holy Spirit to convince you otherwise. I will pray for you that this happens. God Bless.

Birdsfan

When you say there's many paths to Heaven, what do base that upon?

Im4the hounds

Your posts are very well to the point. I appreciate and enjoy reading your posts and encourage you to continue to stand up for what you believe. So many people try to put God in their own box instead of putting themselves in His box.

Birdsfan

When you say there's many paths to Heaven, what do base that upon?

I don't really have to base it on anything. That's just it; we can't really know the exact things we need to do. So all we can really do is follow our hearts, love God, and be the best people we can be.

I like to think that someday I'll arrive in Heaven, everything will be revealed and I will slap my forehead in amazement that I never understood the simplicity of it all.

 

In the meantime, I believe in the process of natural selection. For example, a rabbit born with white fur has a better chance of survival in a snow covered enviroment thus passing on that trait to future generations. Where the evolutionists lose me is at the very beginning, at the Big Bang. Where did the very dense matter that exploded and created the Universe come from? My mind cannot comprehend the existance, other than a Supreme Being, of something that had no beginning.

When it comes to religious beliefs, I'm perfectly comfortable being in the minority on some things. I'm only trying to work out my own salvation and the only path I can find to my desired destination is through Jesus Christ and the Bible. So I study the Bible, trying to rightly divide the Word of Truth therein, while neither adding nor taking away from its message.

 

It does not bother me if my chosen path is considered narrow. In fact, I think there is something in there about where that path leads.

Best post in the thread IMO.:thumb:

IM4THEHOUNDS - I believe it is you that is trapped within your own beliefs. Evolution is fact and is based on verifiable scientific evidence. I know this will blow your mind; but I believe in what you might call "Intelligent Evolution!" Yes, I believe that the world (and man) evolved just as it says in the science books -- the evidence being ponderous. But I believe that it has been created in God's time. His time is infinite and has no relation to our own.

 

I believe, if you look at Genesis, you can see that the order in which it describes creation is exactly the order in which science tells us it happened. It happened in a span of time that is difficult for us as mere humans to understand. But it did happen, and it happened at the hand of God. I believe he created the world of his own design, and created us to be his family.

 

Put simply, I see no conflict between evolution and belief in God.

IM4THEHOUNDS - I believe it is you that is trapped within your own beliefs. Evolution is fact and is based on verifiable scientific evidence. I know this will blow your mind; but I believe in Intelligent Evolution! Yes, I believe that the world (and man) evolved just as it says in the science books -- the evidence being ponderous. But I believe that it has been guided in God's time. His time is infinite and has no relation to our own.

 

I believe, if you look at Genesis, you can see that the order in which it describes creation is exactly the order in which science tells us it happened. It happened in a span of time that is difficult for us as mere humans to understand. But it did happen, and it happened at the hand of God. I believe he created us to be his family, and he did it in his own way.

 

Put simply, I see no conflict between evolution and belief in God.

If you believe in evolution where we evolved from a monkey, well, there is no evidence of such and in no manner whatsoever coincides with the teaching of Genesis. So, a blanket statement of evolution is the answer is not remotely correct by trail of evidence/fact.