So now were satisfied with losing a series at home. Where are we??:cry:

Against one of the top teams in the AL when we have the worst record in the NL yes.

Payroll, is not often indicative of production but of ludicrous contracts, that increase or are back-loaded.

 

I don't buy, for one minute that Dunn's role is more vital, to the Reds success, than that of Ross, E-5, Griffey, Arroyo, Harang, Phillips, Freel, Hamilton....etc., they all have a job to do and that is, help the Reds win, in any manner.

 

If they're not on, they can't be driven in. With that said, yes he leaves a lot of runners on and that can be a direct result, of his K's....No one, would argue that point. With his K's, also there is productivity and RBI's but he won't/can't, in every situation....No MLB player will.

 

I use a term, that is "productive outs" and Dunn, without question needs more of these.

 

You're not getting anyone to bite on the, "Nobody is doing their job" argument, b/c you are right. The Reds as an overall team do not do anything that winning teams do besides hit home runs. However, the one player that is counted on, fairly or unfairly, is Dunn. He is not shouldering his share of the burden. If he gets to go to a better team, you will see Dunn be much better because he will be protected in the line-up and all he will have to do is hit home runs. Here, in Cincinnati, he is expected to be the man, and the man delivers in the clutch, or at least hits .275 with runners in scoring position.

So why not pay everyone evenly?

Blame that on unions and labor agreements, plus mix in greed, by the owners.

 

You're not getting anyone to bite on the, "Nobody is doing their job" argument, b/c you are right. The Reds as an overall team do not do anything that winning teams do besides hit home runs. However, the one player that is counted on, fairly or unfairly, is Dunn. He is not shouldering his share of the burden. If he gets to go to a better team, you will see Dunn be much better because he will be protected in the line-up and all he will have to do is hit home runs. Here, in Cincinnati, he is expected to be the man, and the man delivers in the clutch, or at least hits .275 with runners in scoring position.

You touched on something, I've said regarding Dunn and others, protection in the line-up. It much easier, to work Dunn on the corners and make him chase or look at, off-speed stuff, with little to no protection in the line-up.

 

I don't many teams, go into a series with a game plan, of getting out whomever is hitting behind Dunn.

So now were satisfied with losing a series at home. Where are we??:cry:

 

 

No way anyone can be satisfied with losing a series...

No way anyone can be satisfied with losing a series...

Especially at home:creepy: Its been so long since the Reds have been winners fans are happy with a win here and a win there. String 3 and a 4 in a row and, hey they're on the verge. Is it apathy? I've said it before, I love the Reds, was a kid in the 70's and am absolutely dismayed by the product on the field, the organization and the fans and media that think every thing is fine. I do not think the Reds are any where close to being a playoff team and are not making strides to become one. I guess if they happen to win in 2015 I'm will get some I told you so's and see what happens if you're patient. Let me ask the question. Should fans be complacant with with a club that goes over .500 1 or 2 times a decade? Makes the playoffs maybe once a decade and wins a WS once every 30 or 40 years? Before you answer take a look and see how deep the Reds are in to this scenario right now. When did they last win aWS. When was there last playoff appearance and when was their last winning season?

Payroll, is not often indicative of production but of ludicrous contracts, that increase or are back-loaded.

 

I don't buy, for one minute that Dunn's role is more vital, to the Reds success, than that of Ross, E-5, Griffey, Arroyo, Harang, Phillips, Freel, Hamilton....etc., they all have a job to do and that is, help the Reds win, in any manner.

 

If they're not on, they can't be driven in. With that said, yes he leaves a lot of runners on and that can be a direct result, of his K's....No one, would argue that point. With his K's, also there is productivity and RBI's but he won't/can't, in every situation....No MLB player will.

 

I use a term, that is "productive outs" and Dunn, without question needs more of these.

So on your team does your worse hitters bat 3rd, 4th and 5th since those spots in the order are no more vital than the 7th, 8th, 9th batters??

The 11 RBI came from the ratio (70%) of runners he has driven in from 3rd with less than two outs, extrapolated out had he had as many chances in that situation as Vladdy has had.

 

Dunn has NOT hit well with RISP in his career. No question. No argument.

 

 

I'm guessing this years numbers far exceed his career numbers when it comes to this stat. I'm also guessing you wouldn't make a friendly side wager that he'll end up above 60% this year. So to say he will knock in 11 of the next 16 is a little off. In fact I would bet that he doesn't knock in even 10 of the next 16.

I'm also guessing you wouldn't make a friendly side wager that he'll end up above 60% this year.

 

I don't know, he seems to have mastered the art of the SAC fly.

I don't know, he seems to have mastered the art of the SAC fly.

 

 

My PM box has openings.

So on your team does your worse hitters bat 3rd, 4th and 5th since those spots in the order are no more vital than the 7th, 8th, 9th batters??

Each spot in the order, has a role.

 

1 - Gets on base; Has excellent eye: Walks a lot; Gets SB's; Scores Runs

2 - Puts ball in play; Contact man; Bunts; Hit & Runs; Minimal K's

3 - Best overall hitter; Hits for Average, Power, RBI's

4 - RBI producer; Power Hitter; Protects 3 hole hitter

5 - 2nd Best RBI man; Protects 4 hole hitter; Opposite field; Good eye

6 - Can put ball in play; Hit opposite field; Has some power

7 - Hit & Run spot; takes pitches; Hits to all fields

8 - Bunts; Not great contact man; Very good speed; Similar to leadoff

9 - Pitcher

By the way, Dunn is hitting .385 with RISP in June. Maybe the light-bulb has gone off.

My PM box has openings.

 

See Post #5381.

Each spot in the order, has a role.

 

1 - Gets on base; Has excellent eye: Walks a lot; Gets SB's; Scores Runs

2 - Puts ball in play; Contact man; Bunts; Hit & Runs; Minimal K's

3 - Best overall hitter; Hits for Average, Power, RBI's

4 - RBI producer; Power Hitter; Protects 3 hole hitter

5 - 2nd Best RBI man; Protects 4 hole hitter; Opposite field; Good eye

6 - Can put ball in play; Hit opposite field; Has some power

7 - Hit & Run spot; takes pitches; Hits to all fields

8 - Bunts; Not great contact man; Very good speed; Similar to leadoff

9 - Pitcher

So that 3, 4 and 5 hitter doesn't carry more of a responsibility than the 7th or 8th in the batting order? I understand their roles but think that some spots are more vital than others.

So that 3, 4 and 5 hitter doesn't carry more of a responsibility than the 7th or 8th in the batting order? I understand their roles but think that some spots are more vital than others.

You hit in the order, based off what your ability is. Phillips has hit leadoff, 8th and everywhere in between. Hatte, bottom of order and now leadoff....Need I go on. Dunn will never hit leadoff, as he has no speed. Griffey will never hit 8th, as he serves more purpose up in the order....and so on. The Reds are like swiss cheese, full of holes offensively, defensively and pitching.

 

Most any MLB player, can be at different spots in the lineup, if they posses the unwritten requirements, of that spot. If in your theory, the 3-5 hitters, are the most vital, than your team would struggle.

 

Hitting is just one aspect of the game, along with pitching, fielding, speed and approach.

You hit in the order, based off what your ability is. Phillips has hit leadoff, 8th and everywhere in between. Hatte, bottom of order and now leadoff....Need I go on. Dunn will never hit leadoff, as he has no speed. Griffey will never hit 8th, as he serves more purpose up in the order....and so on. The Reds are like swiss cheese, full of holes offensively, defensively and pitching.

 

Most any MLB player, can be at different spots in the lineup, if they posses the unwritten requirements, of that spot. If in your theory, the 3-5 hitters, are the most vital, than your team would struggle.

 

Hitting is just one aspect of the game, along with pitching, fielding, speed and approach.

I would not limit it to just 3-5 but just picked those spots because we were discussing Dunn. I think offensively (ONLY) the 1-5 spots carry more responsibility and in the long run will prove more vital to your team offensively than the 6, 7, 8 hitters.