As I've followed this thread, I can't help but wonder how the team's win/loss record affects the whining?? I've certainly heard my share of whining parents, and those who feel they are more knowledgable than the coach, ref, offical, etc. But it seems to me, as an observer; that I've heard much more complaining, desention, etc. from the fans and parents of consistantly losing programs, than those of winning programs?? I'm sure there are exceptions at even the most successful programs, but it appears that I see more "issues" and second guessing on here from supporters of programs who aren't having a lot of success, and those that continue to lose to rivals and other schools the "experts" feel they should be dominating?? Just curious if there is a corelation??

 

It seems to me that there is more of a feeling that what the coach is doing is wrong because the program isn't successful. It's much easier to question a sub .500 team as opposed to a 22-3 team. I can't completely understand where a parent is coming from since I do not have any children but it looks as though many of them just can't help but support their child. But at the same time remember that your child is part of a TEAM. Support your own and be proud of them but support the team and EVERYBODY WINS!!!

My son coached some and he always said "You know basketball is a great game and it would be a really fun game for the boys if the parents weren't allowed to go to the games".:laugh:

My son coached some and he always said "You know basketball is a great game and it would be a really fun game for the boys if the parents weren't allowed to go to the games".:laugh:

 

 

And kids would also like to eat what they want, stay up late and sleep as long as they want and skip school altogether if they can. Certainly parents can go over the top and take the fun out of sports. But the other side is that a kid (and I know some) say they want to play, expect the parents to make significant investments in time and money for AAU basketball, club soccer, camps, etc. and then complain when the parents expect some effort or performance on their part. Generally parents have a lot better idea of what life expects of the kid than the kid does.

 

Bottom line is, parent(s) are part of the process (or there would be no kids), but there are reasonable and unreasonable parents - just as there are coaches. The coaches who can best set up an objective system of communication will get along fine with the reasonable parents and at least have a system of defense against those that are unreasonable.

 

Taking the parents out of the system is not a viable option!

Very nice post Doomer!

And kids would also like to eat what they want, stay up late and sleep as long as they want and skip school altogether if they can. Certainly parents can go over the top and take the fun out of sports. But the other side is that a kid (and I know some) say they want to play, expect the parents to make significant investments in time and money for AAU basketball, club soccer, camps, etc. and then complain when the parents expect some effort or performance on their part. Generally parents have a lot better idea of what life expects of the kid than the kid does.

 

Bottom line is, parent(s) are part of the process (or there would be no kids), but there are reasonable and unreasonable parents - just as there are coaches. The coaches who can best set up an objective system of communication will get along fine with the reasonable parents and at least have a system of defense against those that are unreasonable.

 

Taking the parents out of the system is not a viable option!

Can't say it any better Doomer. Nice post.

And kids would also like to eat what they want, stay up late and sleep as long as they want and skip school altogether if they can. Certainly parents can go over the top and take the fun out of sports. But the other side is that a kid (and I know some) say they want to play, expect the parents to make significant investments in time and money for AAU basketball, club soccer, camps, etc. and then complain when the parents expect some effort or performance on their part. Generally parents have a lot better idea of what life expects of the kid than the kid does.

 

Bottom line is, parent(s) are part of the process (or there would be no kids), but there are reasonable and unreasonable parents - just as there are coaches. The coaches who can best set up an objective system of communication will get along fine with the reasonable parents and at least have a system of defense against those that are unreasonable.

 

Taking the parents out of the system is not a viable option!

 

I agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:dancingpa

My son coached some and he always said "You know basketball is a great game and it would be a really fun game for the boys if the parents weren't allowed to go to the games".:laugh:

 

He was only kidding when he made that comment and I thought it was funny but had no logic. I've been around sports all my life and have seen a lot of strange behavior from some parents.

I once knew a coach that used perhaps too much caution with his own daughter. As a sophomore, she was very, very good. However, there was a bunch of seniors, most of whom were could play. One that was not as good was the Asst. Superintendent's daughter. He played her over his own kid who was much, much better. This was kind of a reverse effect, where what was best for the team really should have meant playing his own daughter.

 

 

I once saw a coach whos daughter played for him. And he rode her so hard during a game that she was in tears. I swear everytime down the floor he would scream, Hollie do this, Hollie do that, Hollie. Opposing team fans accually started cheering her on because they felt so bad for her. Now that is a sad sad parent in my book.

 

People can think what they want, I am a parent and yes I have questions. But I do not attack coaches. I support the teams. Quagmire you should know that, not just the teams but the school. I don't have a kid playing Volley Ball, nor a High School girl ball player. Yet I attend all the Home games of any sport. Thats more then you can say for alot of parents. I could just drop my kids at the school steps and go home. Why dont I ? because I love the school and my kids. Just because I did not go to school there does not matter. I do have four kids in Augusta school and they will not go anywhere else but Augusta. I will be around this school and programs for as long as the good lord lets me.

 

IT is just frustrating after last year and over the summer. I along with alot of Parents and fans had high expectations for this team.

I am very close to schools in particular in the 10th region and this is common in both schools, so I figured it is common everywhere.. All the parents in the stands want to 2nd guess the coaching staff and want to try and do the job that someone has been hired and paid to do.

 

"why isnt he playing, he led the JV in scoring in the JV game?" Well to all of those parents who dont know any better the JV game is a lot different than a varsity game. The pace is quicker and the competition is better in the Varsity game. Just because JO SCHMO had a good JV game doesnt mean that he is ready for Varsity action.

 

Quit worrying about it and let the coaches do their job.

I get sick and tired of hearing this from parents these days.

 

Here is a classic one that I have heard regarding this situation

 

"Hey Coach why isnt John Doe playing more? He beats his brothers down at the barn all the time?"

 

Coach replies with -------- Well Sir, I hate to break it to you, but we arent playing many at the barn this year...

 

So, parents whether you agree or disagree with the coaching staff regarding playing time remember that they see them everyday in practice, know their capabilities, and are doing whats best for the player and the team.

 

 

 

FANTASTIC POST!!! KUDOS!!!!

I don't have a dog in this fight, so I don't want to become overly involved.

 

But, the whole Jordan thing is maybe the most misunderstood story in the history of sports. Mostly because fans, parents, only THINK they know what they're talking about.

 

Jordan wasn't on the VARSITY team as a smallish sophomore. He did play on the JV team as a sophomore though, so he wasn't exactly CUT. The next year he'd grown about five inches and the rest is history. Or as that one guy says....now you know the rest of the story.

 

After watching Beyond the Glory, Jordan's high school coach went on to validate his decision by saying that Jordan was by far the best Sophomore in the school not just ready or needed at the time on the varsity team.

At the varsity level I dont know why playing a player because of any other reason than the player in the game is a better player and/or the player in the game is better suited for the position at the current time than the player on the bench is.

In high school a senior quit because of me taking his starting position. My coach told both of us at the end of the season the previous year(my 8th gradeyear which i played as 7 or 8th man at the time) that the one that outworked the other was the one that would have a starting position the next year unless someone else overachieved both of us and that the senior was in the lead. This motivation for me lasted all summer, everyday and every practice and camp to work hard and achieve my goal. My coach gave me an oppurtunity despite my age and I jumped on it. I coach now and I believe that if a player outworks another and seems better suited mentally and physically for that position then that player will play.

Like my pappy always says, "he can either play or he cant".

At the varsity level I dont know why playing a player because of any other reason than the player in the game is a better player and/or the player in the game is better suited for the position at the current time than the player on the bench is.

In high school a senior quit because of me taking his starting position. My coach told both of us at the end of the season the previous year(my 8th gradeyear which i played as 7 or 8th man at the time) that the one that outworked the other was the one that would have a starting position the next year unless someone else overachieved both of us and that the senior was in the lead. This motivation for me lasted all summer, everyday and every practice and camp to work hard and achieve my goal. My coach gave me an oppurtunity despite my age and I jumped on it. I coach now and I believe that if a player outworks another and seems better suited mentally and physically for that position then that player will play.

Like my pappy always says, "he can either play or he cant".

 

 

Excellent Quote--I agree 100%

I have never been fired from my job of "coaching games from the stands!" As a matter of fact, I am undefeated and am offering coaching clinics this summer if anyone is interested.

What do you charge and is this clinic for parents or players .:dancingpa

JB, I think I will make it available to parents since "everyone" in the stands around me believes in my ideas and philosophies. Besides if they don't agree, I will take their money and send them to a private session where I drill my beliefs into their heads until they repeat my philosophies.