February 20, 200719 yr No, I have talked to a few Priests about it (yes, Catholic Priests). One told me that as long as you remember everything, it is not a sin. One told me that as long as your self does not change, it is not a sin. Anyone care to say which, if either, is closer to being correct?
February 20, 200719 yr Ah, the letter to the Romans. Good stuff.:lol: Very good. Romans 6. I love posting this stuff without referencing it to the Bible. It sounds less archaic and more applicable without those little numbers in there.
February 20, 200719 yr :lol: Very good. Romans 6. I love posting this stuff without referencing it to the Bible. It sounds less archaic and more applicable without those little numbers in there. Can you get in trouble for telling a mod the rules? Not withstanding the obvious copyright infringement and legal issues. It is only polite to cite your sources, if for no other reason than to let the people you are debating know what they are up against. If you find that someone else can better express your thoughts on a subject than you can then give them credit. It is almost impossible to stop and check every single paragraph in some of the tomes that are written in these threads but some of this is obvious folks. Not everyone on here is a Bill O'Reily or James Carville or Rush Limbaugh. Please make the proper citing or links to use outside material. I have always wanted to do that.
February 20, 200719 yr I had lunch with my pastor and music minister a couple of weeks ago and I raised this subject with them. I simply asked the pastor if he felt the consumption of alcohol was a sin in his opinion. My pastor, who is a VERY VERY conservative individual, flatly stated that he did not believe the consumption of alcohol in and of itself is a sin. He backed up his belief by noting that the Bible makes no mention ANYWHERE equating the consumption of alcohol with sin. Drunkedness, on the other hand, is where the sin is conceived. He also went on to state that if alcohol begins to disrupt your life and/or influence your behaviour or relations with others, then this could be the point at which sin could materialize.
February 20, 200719 yr I had lunch with my pastor and music minister a couple of weeks ago and I raised this subject with them. I simply asked the pastor if he felt the consumption of alcohol was a sin in his opinion. My pastor, who is a VERY VERY conservative individual, flatly stated that he did not believe the consumption of alcohol in and of itself is a sin. He backed up his belief by noting that the Bible makes no mention ANYWHERE equating the consumption of alcohol with sin. Drunkedness, on the other hand, is where the sin is conceived. He also went on to state that if alcohol begins to disrupt your life and/or influence your behaviour or relations with others, then this could be the point at which sin could materialize. Interesting. My could-be-wrong generalization of some religions (say, Baptist) makes me think that they are completely against alcohol consumption. True?
February 20, 200719 yr Interesting. My could-be-wrong generalization of some religions (say, Baptist) makes me think that they are completely against alcohol consumption. True? There are Baptist churches that preach no alcohol, no dancing, no movies, etc. However, that is not all of them. I am Baptist and I believe that the consumption of alcohol is not a sin. However, we must look at how our actions affect others. For example, if I am a teacher and one of my students sees me in a restaurant ordering alcoholic drinks or in the grocery store buying a case of beer, what am I saying to that young person? We do not have alcohol in our house, nor do we consume it. We quite often have students over and the last thing I want them to see when they open my refrigerator is a case of beer. That is my personal conviction on the matter. Others may not be convicted the same way and I in no way judge someone that decides to consume alcohol. I do question the person that gets intoxicated though.
February 20, 200719 yr Interesting. My could-be-wrong generalization of some religions (say, Baptist) makes me think that they are completely against alcohol consumption. True? Many of us are against drinking (not me obviously) because it leads to dancing!:lol:
February 20, 200719 yr For example, if I am a teacher and one of my students sees me in a restaurant ordering alcoholic drinks or in the grocery store buying a case of beer, what am I saying to that young person? We do not have alcohol in our house, nor do we consume it. We quite often have students over and the last thing I want them to see when they open my refrigerator is a case of beer. As a fellow teacher, I agree with this part entirely. We hold ourselves to a higher standard.
February 20, 200719 yr For example, if I am a teacher and one of my students sees me in a restaurant ordering alcoholic drinks or in the grocery store buying a case of beer, what am I saying to that young person? We do not have alcohol in our house, nor do we consume it. We quite often have students over and the last thing I want them to see when they open my refrigerator is a case of beer. . I AGREE 100%. Also, feel the same way about being a Christian. I think unbelievers would view it as Christian's THINKING it is a sin because they are uninformed. So if an unbeliever would view it as a sin, see a case of beer in my fridge or me drinking a beer, they might see me as a hypocrit and lessen my ability to witness to them. I don't need to drink and if there is a chance that it lessens my effectiveness as a Christian, I should strive to abstain from it.
February 20, 200719 yr For example, if I am a teacher and one of my students sees me in a restaurant ordering alcoholic drinks or in the grocery store buying a case of beer, what am I saying to that young person? . Maybe they look at you as an adult who can handle the responsibility. Why would it be a negative if they didn't see you drunk? Do you think your students know that you and your spouse have sex? If so and assuming neither acts are sins for adults/married adults, how is that example different from a student seeing you with beer in your cart at Kroger's?
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