43 minutes ago, 4 Quarters said:

Ok, make it a four year deal, the money you sign for is spread out over for years.  If you transfer you lose your money.  There will be no NIL deals at you next stop.

It's a free market now, just like pro sports. If you want a player for 2 years and are willing to make that financial commitment and he's willing to sign, then you sign a two year deal. Then you don't have anybody moving until the second year. Same thing for a three year deal. Some players may only want a one year deal and some teams might only want a player for one year. The market will determine the deal.

My question is, why aren't there 2 and 3 year deals being done? There is no NCAA provision against it.

Edited April 4Apr 4 by Voice of Reason

31 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

It's a free market now, just like pro sports. If you want a player for 2 years and are willing to make that financial commitment and he's willing to sign, then you sign a two year deal. Then you don't have anybody moving until the second year. Same thing for a three year deal. Some players may only want a one year deal and some teams might only want a player for one year. The market will determine the deal.

My question is, why aren't there 2 and 3 year deals being done? There is no NCAA provision against it.

Is it really free market, hasn't actually been proven yet.  Still pending is the case between UC and former QB Sorsby.  Other cases previous to this appears to have been settled out of court, appears no one really wants a Judge to settle this.

2 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

It's a free market now, just like pro sports. If you want a player for 2 years and are willing to make that financial commitment and he's willing to sign, then you sign a two year deal. Then you don't have anybody moving until the second year. Same thing for a three year deal. Some players may only want a one year deal and some teams might only want a player for one year. The market will determine the deal.

My question is, why aren't there 2 and 3 year deals being done? There is no NCAA provision against it.

Players (agents) would rather bank on yearly free agency, hoping value increases based on year one's production. Agents all fear that a player would have a breakout freshman year, then be stuck in a multi year contract. Imagine if you will a UK freshman on a two or three year contract, decides to hold out for more money and a new contract before his sophomore year. That would happen all across college basketball every year.

3 hours ago, 4 Quarters said:

You're partially correct, no way you can honestly say NIL isn't a problem.

 

3 hours ago, 4 Quarters said:

Take away the NIL, it won't stop it, but will slow it down.

If they can only transfer free one time, how is NIL a problem?

3 hours ago, 4 Quarters said:

Ok, make it a four year deal, the money you sign for is spread out over for years.  If you transfer you lose your money.  There will be no NIL deals at you next stop.

If you leave your current job, does that mean you should never get paid again?

2 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

 

If they can only transfer free one time, how is NIL a problem?

 

2 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

 

If they can only transfer free one time, how is NIL a problem?

The kids are making way too much money from something they would be doing anyway.  As I have stated before, they're getting paid in the form of an education.

2 minutes ago, 4 Quarters said:

 

The kids are making way too much money from something they would be doing anyway.  As I have stated before, they're getting paid in the form of an education.

Yeah, this is just a salty/jealous take. 

College Basketball is a BILLION dollar entity. There is no money without the athletes. 

8 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

If you leave your current job, does that mean you should never get paid again?

To start with they will get paid again when the enter the real world. They are not losing the scholarship money, just their bonus NIL money.

 

8 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

Yeah, this is just a salty/jealous take. 

College Basketball is a BILLION dollar entity. There is no money without the athletes. 

No salty/jealous takes.

What do you think the company you work for is worth.  Do you feel you're compensated appropriately?

14 hours ago, Kentucky Windage said:

I actually would prefer that. The free-for-all bores me to death. There's no relationship with a player who a.) needs a car load of cash to stay or b.) will only last a year just to go to the next place. 

 

Look, I don't have absolute ties to UK. It's more about the guys, getting to watch them develop. That's the fun part about college ball for myself.

 

Pope hasn't had any kind of roster consistency since he's been here. It's hard to build a winning culture that way. 

In the grand scheme of things I would agree that I prefer getting to have players more than one year. With that said, I am perfectly fine with not running it back with most of these players. As this roster was just a very poor roster construction by Pope to begin with. 

The kids are spoiled rich! Way over paid!

1 hour ago, Jumper_Dad said:

Players (agents) would rather bank on yearly free agency, hoping value increases based on year one's production. Agents all fear that a player would have a breakout freshman year, then be stuck in a multi year contract. Imagine if you will a UK freshman on a two or three year contract, decides to hold out for more money and a new contract before his sophomore year. That would happen all across college basketball every year.

So the current market is everyone likes the one year deals. I can see wanting one year for freshmen. What about a sophomore or junior? UK could have gone 2 years with Lowe?

Edited April 4Apr 4 by Voice of Reason

52 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

So the current market is everyone likes the one year deals. I can see wanting one year for freshmen. What about a sophomore or junior? UK could have gone 2 years with Lowe?

As a school how you sign multi year contracts when you have no idea of you future NIL contributions?

9 minutes ago, 4 Quarters said:

As a school how you sign multi year contracts when you have no idea of you future NIL contributions?

Fair question. I don't know how the NIL pot of money works. Are schools spending every penny that comes in as it comes in? Do they have a budget and hold funds as needed? Can youm even hold NIL money or are you required to spend it?

10 minutes ago, 4 Quarters said:

As a school how you sign multi year contracts when you have no idea of you future NIL contributions?

 

1 hour ago, Voice of Reason said:

So the current market is everyone likes the one year deals. I can see wanting one year for freshmen. What about a sophomore or junior? UK could have gone 2 years with Lowe?

I believe there are some multi year contracts/NIL. As we have seen that in football. The Washington QB tried to enter the transfer portal, but he had a two year NIL contract and Washington was going to take him to court if he left and broke the deal. 
 

We also seen it with the Duke QB who transferred to Miami two months ago. He has a multi year deal with Duke, and so had to work out a settlement type thing for him to be able to transfer.