So, just trying to understand, are you putting any blame on the kid?

Some, but the vast majority is on the University.

 

No response on Grant, Bynes or Peake?

I have a big problem with the fact that the word commitment means very little to many of those involved with the recruitment process. That being said and realizing that things are probably only going to get worse. I have no problem with a school pulling an offer if a commitment is visiting other schools, however, in this case it appears that UL did not do that immediately but waited until signing day to inform the kid of their decision. I would guess that they were keeping him in the nest until they could get a verbal for his replacement.

 

I believe that if a college is going to take this approach than the recruit should be informed of the policy prior to extending the offer. And if the kid waivers than pull it immediately, don't wait until the last minute.

 

At the same time these kids should value their word more than to give a committment that they have no idea whether they will keep. If you make a commitment stand by it, if your not ready to do so, don't committ. You don't marry the first girl you date (not usually anyway).

 

The whole process needs to be overhauled, perhaps have an early signing period like they do in basketball.

Understand that parents and high school coaches have to help handle the situation. Most colleges will give recruits a deadline or an ultimatum. Something along the lines of We are offering you a scholarship. If you decide to go on other recruiting trips, our offer may not be there whether you have committed or not.

SO a kid committs then decides to go take a look at another school. His scholarship from the orginal school may be there may not, but the recruit took that chance.

 

Recruiting is a big business. When you have millions of dollars on the line, people are going to run the program like a cut throat businessman, you have to. It doesn't always make your decisions "right, or moral" sometimes it is business.

 

 

Parents and coaches have to make these kids understand the importance of a situation. The kids look at it like an oppurtunity to go have fun and party for a weekend, they don't understand that they might lose a great oppurtunity.

The more I think about it the less sorry I feel for these kids. So they may have to get a free education at another school, or God forbid they have to pay for a junior college one or two semesters before transferring. That's what they get for being great athletes and flirting with multiple schools. I know coaches have some responsibility in the matter, but still, they'd better not get choked up about it.

Three little words that will solve this problem... Early Signing Period. They have in basketball, football should follow suit. :thumb:

Three little words that will solve this problem... Early Signing Period. They have in basketball, football should follow suit. :thumb:

 

 

Well said, I don't see any problem with this. :thumb:

This kids was never offered a scholly according to Louisville. He was recruited but not offered. I can call the coaches office tomorrow and say I am committing to Louisville, but that doesn't mean that they will have a slot for me. It is hard to "pull" an offer that you never gave.

If that is true, then I think it is odd that Kragthorpe's staff kept in contact with the kid several times over the past several weeks without saying a word otherwise.

 

Obviously the kid and his coach thought it was a done deal because the coach said he was there in the room when the kid committed over the phone.

 

If you called UL football staff today and told them you wanted to commit, what do you think their response would be? Something along the lines of "thanks but we didn't offer you anything"?

 

If there had been no offer to this kid, don't you think the staff at UL would have told the kid thanks but we aren't ready to offer yet when that conversation was taking place?

 

Are you suggesting that they let the kid commit without having made him an offer, then they led him on intentionally, keeping in contact with him over the last several weeks of signing period, knowing the kid thinks he is coming to Louisville, and then they just waited until signing day to break the bad news?

 

Or are you saying the kid and his coach are lying about the committment?

If that is true, then I think it is odd that Kragthorpe's staff kept in contact with the kid several times over the past several weeks without saying a word otherwise.

 

Obviously the kid and his coach thought it was a done deal because the coach said he was there in the room when the kid committed over the phone.

 

If you called UL football staff today and told them you wanted to commit, what do you think their response would be? Something along the lines of "thanks but we didn't offer you anything"?

 

If there had been no offer to this kid, don't you think the staff at UL would have told the kid thanks but we aren't ready to offer yet when that conversation was taking place?

 

Are you suggesting that they let the kid commit without having made him an offer, then they led him on intentionally, keeping in contact with him over the last several weeks of signing period, knowing the kid thinks he is coming to Louisville, and then they just waited until signing day to break the bad news?

 

Or are you saying the kid and his coach are lying about the committment?

No, he probably tried to commit to make sure that he had a slot, the problem is that U of L had not offered. You can't just committ and expect that they will offer, that is not how it works. If you recruit a kid, and offer him and then he commits then you should not string him along to signing day I agree. But if you are interested in a kid but not willing to give up the slot because you think you can get a better player then what you do is you recruit him but don't offer a scholly, then if the players you want don't come and you have room then you call them up and offer. You keep contact with all recruits until they committ on SIGNING day. Even ones that may have verbaled to other schools cause like Peake and Anderson they might come your way in the end. Heck if they had not made such a fuss I would still keep in contact with the kids and if someone doesn't show for what ever reason you can offer right up till the summer I believe.

 

Think of it like a job. If I come to you and say hey I am interested in hiring you for your dream job with double your current benifits and pay, would you be interested? And then you say yeah!! That doesn't mean that you should quit your job, because in fact I was recruiting you to be a candidate for the position I had not offered it yet, you might not get it. But I still would keep in contact with you if my #1 choice declined the position.

This game of recruiting is dirty business folks. Kids get offers from several schools and can only go to one. Kids get offers from a couple and they look for more and search for them all the way up to signing day. 18 year olds folks that's what we're dealing with here. BIG BIG decision to make at an early age. Along with their parents are trying to make a life alternating decision and it's tough. When you have several schools, now when you have only one college offer now it's different when it comes signing day. IF Louisville offered and we're not clear on this but if they offered and the parents were sure of this then they need to honor it, plain and simple. What have the parents said about all this, did they visit along with him and talk to the coaches and knew for sure he had this offer. It would be hard to believe something didn't happen because the coach and kid both believed and UL was still staying in contact. Didn't UL go through a law suit with a kid last year over something simular about a kid thinking he had an offer and they didn't give it to him and he sued?? Something or someone is saying something to the effect of "We want you here and we're going to get you a scholly" and the kids are hearing "I'm IN"

To kind of repeat what I said in the last thread.

 

This is only the kids and the coaches side of the story.

 

If the kid had oppritunities at other schools how come they didn't fax over the info as soon as they heard about the opening. Could he not have signed and then waited a year to play the next season.

 

I think there is more to the story then is being given.

 

If he were that good, he would be signed with someone. If he is not that good, well he joins the vast majority of people who never get an atheletic scholarship.

I wonder why the kid isn't "grayshirting" somewhere? There is more to this story than what the kid's coach says, as usual.

The kid had an offer from BP and staff, and committed to the University of Louisville. I can almost GUARENTEE that. BUT, BP was a shady character, we all know that, Maybe he had an offer over the phone from the staff, but it was never documented in any form or fashion. Maybe Kragthorpe didnt even know about this kids commitment. I have no idea what happened, but from my perspective, UL showed no compassion for this kid whatsoever. And to me, thats a shame.

The kid had an offer from BP and staff, and committed to the University of Louisville. I GUARENTEE that. BUT, BP was a shady character, we all know that, Maybe he had an offer over the phone from the staff, but it was never documented in any form or fashion. Maybe Kragthorpe didnt even know about this kids commitment. I have no idea what happened, but from my perspective, UL showed no compassion for this kid whatsoever. And to me, thats a shame.

 

Link? Source?

Link? Source?

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