I just saw this on my Kentucky news feed on line I did not see a post on this. I am sorry if I missed it but it is a good read the link is posted below. KHSAA have suspended all officials involved in the Somerset- Perry game from officiating playoffs, and we're not scheduled a game this week. 

KHSAA rules on Somerset's controversial week one game | Sports | somerset-kentucky.com

Isn't this setting a dangerous precedent going forward? I think we've all been to games, and most likely quite a few where a call was made/not made that was clearly and obviously wrong to everyone in attendance. Are they going to start making suspensions to an already depleted officiating pool?

8 minutes ago, TilghmanPride said:

Isn't this setting a dangerous precedent going forward? I think we've all been to games, and most likely quite a few where a call was made/not made that was clearly and obviously wrong to everyone in attendance. Are they going to start making suspensions to an already depleted officiating pool?

As a long time retired official and then an observer I am really glad to see the KHSAA make that decision. The only way we see improvement is by oversight and addressing situations like this one.

46 minutes ago, 9068 said:

As a long time retired official and then an observer I am really glad to see the KHSAA make that decision. The only way we see improvement is by oversight and addressing situations like this one.

On one side I see this on the other side TPride makes a good point. Graves was called for 12 men on the field last night on a 4th and 1 they converted. I was assured by an assistant that the film told a different story and that there was only 11. 
 

Did this call cost the Eagles the game? Probably not. But it it was a huge call at the time. Some calls are just bad, but refs are human and sometimes just screw up. I’m not sure the correct response to these type of situations. 
 

This situation seems fitting, but definitely opening pandoras box.

My Breds lost to Mayfield in the state title game a few years back. In that game NewCath muffed a punt, Mayfield scooped it up and scored right in front of Julian Tackett. The officials let it stand and Tackett couldn’t do anything about it. That’s a basic rule, K cannot advance a muff. I think they need to be held liable for such egregious misses, and punished according to impact on the game.

10 minutes ago, Breds82 said:

My Breds lost to Mayfield in the state title game a few years back. In that game NewCath muffed a punt, Mayfield scooped it up and scored right in front of Julian Tackett. The officials let it stand and Tackett couldn’t do anything about it. That’s a basic rule, K cannot advance a muff. I think they need to be held liable for such egregious misses, and punished according to impact on the game.

Punished how? You're lucky ANYONE wants to do it now. I did it for 8 years and on more than one occasion had to be walked out to my car to leave. 

20 minutes ago, gcbleedblue said:

On one side I see this on the other side TPride makes a good point. Graves was called for 12 men on the field last night on a 4th and 1 they converted. I was assured by an assistant that the film told a different story and that there was only 11. 
 

Did this call cost the Eagles the game? Probably not. But it it was a huge call at the time. Some calls are just bad, but refs are human and sometimes just screw up. I’m not sure the correct response to these type of situations. 
 

This situation seems fitting, but definitely opening pandoras box.

I think there is a huge difference in missing a call and not knowing the rules for the situation. Calls are missed in every game, there shouldn't be a play missed because no one on the crew knew the rules. Just my thoughts.

14 minutes ago, Jumper_Dad said:

I think there is a huge difference in missing a call and not knowing the rules for the situation. Calls are missed in every game, there shouldn't be a play missed because no one on the crew knew the rules. Just my thoughts.

Absolutely!!

1 hour ago, TilghmanPride said:

Isn't this setting a dangerous precedent going forward? I think we've all been to games, and most likely quite a few where a call was made/not made that was clearly and obviously wrong to everyone in attendance. Are they going to start making suspensions to an already depleted officiating pool?

In reading the article it was not a judgement call it was a totally misinterpretation of the rule for an inadvertent whistle. First off the whistle should have never been blew, but the mistake was that Somerset should have got one last dead ball play because of the inadvertent whistle. The KHSAA always tells officials no matter the sport everyone can miss a judgement call, but the is no excuse for missing a rule interpretation.

1 hour ago, TilghmanPride said:

Isn't this setting a dangerous precedent going forward? I think we've all been to games, and most likely quite a few where a call was made/not made that was clearly and obviously wrong to everyone in attendance. Are they going to start making suspensions to an already depleted officiating pool?

The game is geared toward the high school athletes and the high school representatives participating in the contest, not geared to appease officials for not knowing the rules.

They should come together as a crew, and try to come to a consensus on what the ruling is. If no consensus, maybe a regional or central location they can call up and request assistance on the ruling. Put restrictions on the call to scoring or end of the game situations where they are within one score. May pro-long some contests but in the absence of replay, could be a remedy.

57 minutes ago, 16thBBall Fan said:

In reading the article it was not a judgement call it was a totally misinterpretation of the rule for an inadvertent whistle. First off the whistle should have never been blew, but the mistake was that Somerset should have got one last dead ball play because of the inadvertent whistle. The KHSAA always tells officials no matter the sport everyone can miss a judgement call, but the is no excuse for missing a rule interpretation.

I also agree with this statement, but there is too broad of boundary at play. A lot of calls could look to be a judgement call, when in all reality, it wasn't and they weren't sure what to do. Is anyone going to admit that? The only reason I even say that stems from a conversation in the stands one night with one of the guys who does some of our games. We got to talking rules and several overheard us and he was wrong on both rules we debated. If those calls are made during the game and not on the last play, they most likely aren't questioned much for not knowing. 

I don't know what the answer is, I just know it can open up a lot of discussion. 

I could probably debate either way in some of these instances, it's a tough situation for sure. 

I don’t know the answer, but this whole crew just ran off the field without even thinking about coming together and discussing what just happened. The Referee has to at least realize something was weird about that play and bring the crew together to discuss it. If I takes an hour it takes an hour as long as they get it correct. The Referee doesn’t always have to have the right answer, but he needs to relay the correct answer. 

1 hour ago, Keith the old guy said:

Punished how? You're lucky ANYONE wants to do it now. I did it for 8 years and on more than one occasion had to be walked out to my car to leave. 

I did it for 18 years and have had serious walks to my vehicle from all levels. But you can’t let this one go without a true punishment just because numbers are low, they’ll be lower next year regardless because the older guys retire or younger guys like me got tired of dealing with all the bulll honky. This is very basic and the crew didn’t even entertain the idea of discussion, which to me seems like they didn’t know the rule and shouldn’t be calling at the varsity level anyway.

1 hour ago, Keith the old guy said:

Punished how? You're lucky ANYONE wants to do it now. I did it for 8 years and on more than one occasion had to be walked out to my car to leave. 

Punished by being forced to sit out a week, and disqualified from playoffs. Seems fitting for this situation.  Missing subjective calls; Refs should get the benefit of the doubt everyday and twice on Sunday. However Incompetence should never be tolerated. As far as you being walked out to your car… I wonder what happened during the game to garner such reaction.

kudos to the people owning the mistake and holding the crew responsible. If we’re gonna hold Parents responsible and punished for their behavior, Refs should be held to the same standard, imo.