15 minutes ago, PurplePride92 said:

Lol.  Your post covered all of the other things I had to say.  We make a great team. ??

That’s a disquieting thought. 

On 3/20/2023 at 9:13 PM, TheDeuce said:

Sorry for using your own logic against you. 

On 3/19/2023 at 2:38 PM, DragonFire said:

You’ve enumerated the reasons IMO it will never happen. I disagree that it is needed. If you don’t want the other team to hold the ball, force them not to. I’ve said it many, many times - it is not easy to play stall ball and hold it. Many times the teams that are doing that disrupt their flow and it ends up costing them anyway. Warren Central had games where they held the ball for solid chunks of time as they looked to kill the clock - last night was one of them. Nothing about what they did looked easy to me and at times, I’m not even sure I’d say it was beneficial. Central had many games where teams sought to stall or play tempo on them. Their solution to that was simple - pressure them until they couldn’t. 

I have said this for a while regarding stalling/the shot clock: it takes two to tango. If team A elects to hold the ball, and team B for whatever reason decides not to pressure— OF COURSE you are going to have low scoring boring games. But if you don’t want a team to play stall ball, quit sagging off 10 feet and guard them. 

What many people forget when discussing a shot clock in the KHSAA is that the sport is unclassified. In my opinion, the single greatest equalizer in KHSAA basketball is the lack of the shot clock.

60 percent of the Girl’s programs in KHSAA voted No to consider adding a shot clock in the 2025-26 season.  
 

57 percent of the Boy’s programs in KHSAA voted No to consider adding a shot clock in the 2025-26 season.  
 

4 minutes ago, PurplePride92 said:

60 percent of the Girl’s programs in KHSAA voted No to consider adding a shot clock in the 2025-26 season.  
 

57 percent of the Boy’s programs in KHSAA voted No to consider adding a shot clock in the 2025-26 season.  
 

Might as well add the portal and NIL money also.

Pretty good article with some good shot clock in high school data.   
 

“An examination of 137,000 boys basketball scores collected by MaxPreps this season (through Jan. 25) provides little to suggest that scoring and entertainment value go up when the shot clock goes on.

In fact, scoring averages are actually higher in states that do not use a shot clock (104.2 combined points per game) than the seven states with a shot clock (101.4 combined points per game).

The top nine states in terms of highest combined per game average all play without a shot clock. North Dakota is the highest-scoring timed-possession state at No. 10 on the list.”

 

https://www.maxpreps.com/m/news/pewg4MbmGk6rVQysQMD3dA/numbers-suggest-high-school-basketball-shot-clock-doesn't-necessarily-mean-more-scoring.htm

9 minutes ago, PurplePride92 said:

Pretty good article with some good shot clock in high school data.   
 

“An examination of 137,000 boys basketball scores collected by MaxPreps this season (through Jan. 25) provides little to suggest that scoring and entertainment value go up when the shot clock goes on.

In fact, scoring averages are actually higher in states that do not use a shot clock (104.2 combined points per game) than the seven states with a shot clock (101.4 combined points per game).

The top nine states in terms of highest combined per game average all play without a shot clock. North Dakota is the highest-scoring timed-possession state at No. 10 on the list.”

 

https://www.maxpreps.com/m/news/pewg4MbmGk6rVQysQMD3dA/numbers-suggest-high-school-basketball-shot-clock-doesn't-necessarily-mean-more-scoring.htm

Gotta think this is due at least in part to the quality of shot. 
 

Also, the Bluegrass boasts the highest scoring games among states playing 4 quarters and 2nd highest overall. Good information!

On 3/20/2023 at 8:28 AM, Brown said:

No shot clock is extremely outdated.  It is not practical at getting young men and women ready for the next level.

I equate it to little league baseball.  Mound is too close at 46 feet.  Base paths at 60 feet.  No playing off.  After a kid turns 13 he goes to a mound of 60 feet 6 inches and base paths of 90 feet.  Little league has failed to look at what is needed for the next level and is stubborn.  Travel baseball is typically 50 feet mound for 12U and 70 foot base paths.

Holding onto something because it's the way it's always been done....

Little League actually recognized that issue about 10 years or so ago when they created the "Intermediate" division (50 foot mound, 70 foot basepaths, HS-level rules, including leadoffs, etc.)    But many leagues don't take advantage of that option, which is too bad, because the kids LOVE Intermediate much more than Major ball......

NO

My simple thought is this....let's give both teams playing the opportunity to use their available players and skillsets to the very best of their abilities, in hopes of earning a victory.    Whether the best team or the worst team, everyone has a chance - until we start monkeying around with the rules to try and take some of that opportunity away from them, which is EXACTLY what happens with the shot clock.   You make the favorites even MORE likely to win by forcing the lesser team to jack up shots more quickly, increasing the likelihood that they will put up poor shots.   And you take the better team off the hook to play basketball - so long as they can play defense for "X" number of seconds, the clock will do the rest for them.

I agree 100% with the posters who have stated, one way or another, that "if you don't like how the other team is playing, use your talent to take them out of it."    Every great coach I know has always said that it's his/her team's first priority to "take the other team out of what they do best."   Yup.

Some of the other reasons stated here are every bit as valid.    The cost would be prohibitive for many HS athletic departments.....and getting consistent, competent shot clock operators will open an entirely new can of worms.

For the record, I watch approximately 60-75 high school games each year, boys and girls, including 18 district and regional tournament games, and typically some of the Sweet 16.   I've been enthralled by games played in the thirties - and bored by games in the 80s.    The excitement of the game comes from much more than the actual score.

Why are we trying to make the HS game more entertaining for the folks in the stands, anyway?   Why is that even a reasonable objective here?  It's supposed to be an extracurricular opportunity for the players first and foremost - not a big-time money-maker like the college game or the NBA....

Just one man's thoughts.....

On 5/10/2023 at 10:31 AM, PurplePride92 said:

60 percent of the Girl’s programs in KHSAA voted No to consider adding a shot clock in the 2025-26 season.  
 

57 percent of the Boy’s programs in KHSAA voted No to consider adding a shot clock in the 2025-26 season.  
 

Any idea if this has been asked before and if the results are trending in either direction?

22 hours ago, REALSPORT said:

Any idea if this has been asked before and if the results are trending in either direction?

It seems and feels like every year it is getting more traction. I won't predict when it will happen but I expect it to happen at some point in the future.