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Shot Clock?

Shot Clock 61 members have voted

  1. 1. Does KHSAA need it?

    • Yes
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Now that the season is over, let’s get a good conversation going. In my opinion, after watching this week of basketball a shot clock is definitely needed at the high school level. 
However, while saying this I do not believe that it will ever be put in place, and there are many reasons for that. 

1. Money. If you are to require a shot clock, you will have to demand every single school to buy a shot clock, and then pay someone to put it in. There are many smaller schools that are on a very tight budget and can not fund this.

2. Workers. Heck, we can never find people these days to do book or clock, how are we going to find a 3rd person to run the shot clock? Along with this, they have to really know the rules of the game. Running a shot clock would arguably be the hardest position at a scorers table, I’m not sure that the KHSAA could trust some school to do this accordingly. 
 

What do you all think?

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  • DragonFire
    DragonFire

    You’ve enumerated the reasons IMO it will never happen. I disagree that it is needed. If you don’t want the other team to hold the ball, force them not to. I’ve said it many, many times - it is not ea

  • Many, many reasons.     No shot clock is often what keeps the have-nots (from a talent perspective) in the game.  A shot clock will undoubtedly separate the haves from the have-nots even furthe

  • PurplePride92
    PurplePride92

    No.  No. No.  A shot clock is not needed and never will be needed at the high school level.     Forget the logistics of it involving money, volunteers and referees having to be retrained.

You’ve enumerated the reasons IMO it will never happen. I disagree that it is needed. If you don’t want the other team to hold the ball, force them not to. I’ve said it many, many times - it is not easy to play stall ball and hold it. Many times the teams that are doing that disrupt their flow and it ends up costing them anyway. Warren Central had games where they held the ball for solid chunks of time as they looked to kill the clock - last night was one of them. Nothing about what they did looked easy to me and at times, I’m not even sure I’d say it was beneficial. Central had many games where teams sought to stall or play tempo on them. Their solution to that was simple - pressure them until they couldn’t. 

I could go either way with this one but what Woj stated about the money doesn’t hit for me. It would be a one time cost and then it’s done.

Woj is correct that it would be the hardest job in the gym, so let’s give it to the refs? Go back to 2 person crews on the floor and  let the 3rd ref run the shot clock.

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15 minutes ago, DragonFire said:

Warren Central had games where they held the ball for solid chunks of time as they looked to kill the clock - last night was one of them. Nothing about what they did looked easy to me and at times, I’m not even sure I’d say it was beneficial.

I’d say that possession towards the end where they killed over a minute of the clock was extremely beneficial. 
The points you make a very valid, and stalling is not easy. However, when you get towards the state level you have the athletes and ball handlers that make it extremely hard for the opposing team to stop their stalling tactics.
I feel that in my opinion it’s not too crucial in an average high school regular season game, but once you get towards the end of regions and state it is hard to stop it.  

21 minutes ago, Adrian Woj Burner said:

I’d say that possession towards the end where they killed over a minute of the clock was extremely beneficial. 
The points you make a very valid, and stalling is not easy. However, when you get towards the state level you have the athletes and ball handlers that make it extremely hard for the opposing team to stop their stalling tactics.
I feel that in my opinion it’s not too crucial in an average high school regular season game, but once you get towards the end of regions and state it is hard to stop it.  

Well that’s where the “at times” part comes in, ha. Certainly the 80-90 second stretch Central managed to kill helped. 
 

To the point about postseason levels - do we think it would be too difficult a transition for players to implement one at the region level onward? Many of those tourneys take place at facilities that already have shot clocks in place and I imagine it would be easier to find skilled workers to run those. 

If it isn't broken, don't fix it.  Forget the shot clock!

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30 minutes ago, 4 Quarters said:

If it isn't broken, don't fix it.  Forget the shot clock!

But who says it isn’t broken?

1 hour ago, Adrian Woj Burner said:

But who says it isn’t broken?

The fans, check the attendance numbers for the most recent Sweet Sicteen.

Just my opinion but I think the shot clock is needed. It’s required in football and it should be in basketball. Why not help prepare these young athletes, who many desire to play at the next level, what it would be like. I also think it would make games more exciting. 
I get that it would be a process to educate, qualify, etc. people running the clock but there are 8 states that already have shot clock implemented and I’m sure they all had to go through growing pains with this change but they got it done and it’s working so why couldn’t KY?

 

Shot clocks were created for TV.   Slowdown games aren't fun to watch on TV, so no one does, and they lose viewers and ad dollars.  Since most HS games aren't on TV, no need for a clock to make them more TV appealing.

Absolutely, positively. 
 

NOT

2 hours ago, Mr. Sixer said:

Just my opinion but I think the shot clock is needed. It’s required in football and it should be in basketball. Why not help prepare these young athletes, who many desire to play at the next level, what it would be like. I also think it would make games more exciting. 
I get that it would be a process to educate, qualify, etc. people running the clock but there are 8 states that already have shot clock implemented and I’m sure they all had to go through growing pains with this change but they got it done and it’s working so why couldn’t KY?

 

Questions, Do they have one in AAU?  Would you volunteer to operate one?  Would you donate money to purchase?

6 hours ago, Adrian Woj Burner said:

Now that the season is over, let’s get a good conversation going. In my opinion, after watching this week of basketball a shot clock is definitely needed at the high school level. 
However, while saying this I do not believe that it will ever be put in place, and there are many reasons for that. 

1. Money. If you are to require a shot clock, you will have to demand every single school to buy a shot clock, and then pay someone to put it in. There are many smaller schools that are on a very tight budget and can not fund this.

2. Workers. Heck, we can never find people these days to do book or clock, how are we going to find a 3rd person to run the shot clock? Along with this, they have to really know the rules of the game. Running a shot clock would arguably be the hardest position at a scorers table, I’m not sure that the KHSAA could trust some school to do this accordingly. 
 

What do you all think?

I hear a lot of people saying that cost is one of the main negatives for getting the shot clock.  Does anyone know how much it will actually cost?  I can't imagine it being that expensive.  I don't know the answer but would like to hear a number to see if that is a valid reason against getting a shot clock.  

13 minutes ago, Reno said:

I hear a lot of people saying that cost is one of the main negatives for getting the shot clock.  Does anyone know how much it will actually cost?  I can't imagine it being that expensive.  I don't know the answer but would like to hear a number to see if that is a valid reason against getting a shot clock.  

https://www.daktronics.com/en-us/products/sports/basketball/shot-clock-request

I went through this, and the estimate not counting shipping or installation was roughly $4100.  That's a wireless model, and in my experience... those struggle to work properly all the time.  A lot of people seem to think these will be one-time costs but my guess is that they aren't factoring in maintenance or those things dying.  Also, $4100 doesn't sound like a lot, but we're talking about nearly a million dollars if they chose to subsidize that for all schools.  And if they aren't subsidizing, $4100 is a significant bite for a lot of programs. 

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