And Barry and writers aren't on the best of terms.

I was going to say that Barry does eventually get in, but IAmAFan brings up a good point. Maybe he needs a public relations guy.

 

If Bonds and McGwier never make it, thats ok by me.

Can someone give the the quick rules on elected HOFers in baseball? Is there a minimum that has to be inducted every year?

In my opinion, these two saved baseball from itself when it nearly self-destructed in the early 90's. Two finer individuals and gentleman do not exist. By the way, how many guys do you see now that play their entire (long) careers with the same team. Never remember either one spitting on anyone, or being in the paper for beating their wives or anything else for that matter. Two gems.

:thumb: Very well said!! Either one of these two would make a great commissioner.

I'm not too familiar with him, I just remember him dominating game 7 of the '91World Series, but why has Jack Morris received such little support? Wasn't he the winningest pitcher of the 80's?

I'm not too familiar with him, I just remember him dominating game 7 of the '91World Series, but why has Jack Morris received such little support? Wasn't he the winningest pitcher of the 80's?

Well done Mexitucky, that is the correct answer to a fairly common trivia question -- who was the winningest pitcher of the 80's. It was Jack Morris, in fact, he was 22 wins clear of 2nd place (Dave Stieb). Either or both of those will usually win you a beverage at your local watering hole. Rounding out the Top 5, for you trivia buffs, is Valenzuela, Hough, and Jim Clancy. That list helps to explain Jack's not being in the Hall -- not a great era of pitching.

 

While Jack was great in big games, he was rather milquetoast. That is, sort of a steady, boring pitcher that never really was thought of as dominant. He did win 20 three times, with a monster year in '92 for Toronto going 21-6. Certainly a guy that deserves consideration, and will probably end up enshrined eventually.

Both Ripken and Gwynn were no question. I would liked to see Goose to get in, hopefully next year will be his year.

 

Bonds will make it. Maybe not on the first ballot, 2nd probably.

 

Paul Ladewski wasn't the only one. I believe that there were 3 empty ballots in all. Ladewki's reasoning, along with the other two, is just asinine. Does he actually believe that Ripken Jr and Tony Gwynn used steriods? Please.... Ladewski isn't even an MLB writer. He was at one time, but now he's an NBA writer. MLB needs to go through every one of these voters and check to see if they still qualify to even vote for MLB HOFer's anymore.

I heard an interview today with Ladewski and he said some garbage about being true to the founders of baseball and not wanting Ripken and Gwynn to do what not even Babe Ruth did. His reasoning was ridiculous and his vote should definitely be revoked so he can't do any more nonsense in the next years.

I heard an interview today with Ladewski and he said some garbage about being true to the founders of baseball and not wanting Ripken and Gwynn to do what not even Babe Ruth did. His reasoning was ridiculous and his vote should definitely be revoked so he can't do any more nonsense in the next years.

 

I agree, his reasoning is rediculous, I just hate the "not a first ballot" label, you are either a HOF'er or your not.

I think Bonds was a HOF'er before he grew the biggest forehead in baseball. I think he gets in.

 

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Bonds gets in. His numbers, excluding HR's are very impressive and have been, over the course of his career.

 

With that said, some will certainly take a stance on voting for him. As for McGwire, very interesting regarding his %....not sure if its more toward his one dimensional talent, of hitting HR's, his "assumed" performance enhancements or a combination of all the above.

 

If I had a vote, Bonds and McGwire get in, along with Gossage. Rice and Dawson, should also get in. I truly enjoyed Concepcion playing, perhaps one of the smoothest SS of all-times, certainly one of my favorites.

If McGwire got over 50% of the vote, I would tend to agree with Bonds getting in. But with McGwire only getting 25% of the vote, that is a lot of voters who have to decide to vote for Bonds without voting for McGwire. I would not be surprised if that first year, Bonds ends up with around 60% of the vote.

In my opinion, these two saved baseball from itself when it nearly self-destructed in the early 90's. Two finer individuals and gentleman do not exist. By the way, how many guys do you see now that play their entire (long) careers with the same team. Never remember either one spitting on anyone, or being in the paper for beating their wives or anything else for that matter. Two gems.

:thumb: Great Post Hearsay, I was going to post basically the same thing and read yours and just decided to quote you on this, I couldn't had said it any better. Imo Ripken and Gwynn are the definition of what a baseball player should be.:ylsuper:. Derek Jeter is about the only one that I can think of in todays game that fits this same mold. Only thing I can't figue out is why they didn't get 100% of the vote. I also am really dissapointed on the % of votes that Dave Concepcion recieved. This guy also belongs in the Hall. Imo one of ther best shortstops to ever play the game.

:thumb: Very well said!! Either one of these two would make a great commissioner.

:thumb: and the Good Lord knows that baseball needs one.

 

If Bonds and McGwier never make it, thats ok by me.

:thumb: These guys don't belong in the same thread as Ripken and Gwynn!

Ripken+Gwynn=Baseball. Two great baseball guys right there, so happy they're in the Hall.My congratulations to them.

Someone explain this to me...

 

Why is their a 15 year time frame people can be elected into the Hall of Fame? I have always felt that number should be pushed back... oh, I don't know, a decade or so.

 

As far as McGwire, I believe he is an interesting case for a few reasons.

 

1) The "performance enhancing drug" stuff... duh

2) I am interested to see how power hitters are going to be treated for the duration of my life. In all honesty, with the exception of hitting HRs, McGwire's #s suck (when trying to justify a spot in Cooperstown compared to others). The 500 HR club is not going to be the automatic birth to the HOF like it used to be.

What exactly is one looking at when looking at Gwynn and wondering if he, too, may have taken steroids?