Police want to knock and announce long enough so that if they have to kick in a door, the people on the other side of the door know its the police. They would much rather prefer someone just answer the door quickly. They don't want to knock and announce long enough for the person on the other side of the door to fortify their position or attempt to ambush them as they make entry.

 

I may have missed it, has the news said if this was a search warrant or an arrest warrant?

Search warrant.

Aren't constables still elected officials? Often times with little or no law enforcement training? Never made much sense to me.

 

Yes, horrible risk.

I find it harder to believe that they didn't announce who they were. The defense ALWAYS says the police didn't announce who they were.

 

A local Constable shot FBI Agent, his first defense was that he didn't know who it was. FBI had blue lights going and were calling him out on a PA by name, announcing they were the FBI and had a warrant for him.

 

You're likely right in the fact that they announced who they are, i'd almost guarantee they did, they dint want shot either.

 

But my issue with the no knock warrants is situations like this one. Say everyone in the house is asleep, but the homeowner(s) have firearms. So you kick in the door, which likely wakes them up and startles them, then you yell police. At that point whether they hear you yell police or believe that you actually are police or someone else is a different story.

 

When you really think about it, given how many people in this country own guns its a bad situation all together. Bad for both sides, the police as a well as the residents of said house.

 

I would hate to be a police officer going into that situation hoping they have the right house. I'd also hate to be shot by them due to the fact that they startled me in a dead sleep.

 

In other words I get the reasons for no knock warrants, but they need to make sure they have the right house.

So how did they conclude the suspect they were looking for lived in the complex?

From an article I read earlier:

 

Her address(Taylor) was listed in the search warrant, signed by a judge a day before Taylor's death, based on police's belief that one of the narcotics investigation suspects, Jamarcus Glover, used her home to receive mail, keep drugs or stash money earned from the sale of drugs, records show.

 

Detective Joshua Jaynes wrote in an affidavit summarizing the investigation that led to the warrant that Glover walked into Taylor's apartment one January afternoon and left with a "suspected USPS package in his right hand," then got into his car and drove to a "known drug house" on Muhammad Ali Boulevard.

 

And Jaynes verified through a U.S. postal inspector, according to the affidavit, that Glover had been receiving packages at her address.

 

In addition to Taylor's home, police were authorized to search the two main suspects, Glover and Adrian Orlandes Walker, along with two vehicles connected to them. Kenneth Walker was not listed on the warrant. It is unknown if Adrian Walker and Kenneth Walker are related.

 

Police were also authorized to search Taylor and to seize any drugs, money suspected to be from drug trafficking, weapons, paperwork that could record narcotics sales and any paper that could be proof of individuals living in the residence.

 

From the article I read, the police had a search warrant for Taylor's address due to the packages one of the suspected drug dealers, Jamarcus Glover, was having delivered to Taylor's address. It looks as though the search warrant was for more than one property.

Police located the suspected drug trafficker Jamarcus Glover at the other address but still had the search warrant for the address of Taylor, where Glover had been receiving packages.

You're likely right in the fact that they announced who they are, i'd almost guarantee they did, they dint want shot either.

 

But my issue with the no knock warrants is situations like this one. Say everyone in the house is asleep, but the homeowner(s) have firearms. So you kick in the door, which likely wakes them up and startles them, then you yell police. At that point whether they hear you yell police or believe that you actually are police or someone else is a different story.

 

When you really think about it, given how many people in this country own guns its a bad situation all together. Bad for both sides, the police as a well as the residents of said house.

 

I would hate to be a police officer going into that situation hoping they have the right house. I'd also hate to be shot by them due to the fact that they startled me in a dead sleep.

 

In other words I get the reasons for no knock warrants, but they need to make sure they have the right house.

 

They did have the right house.

They did have the right house.

Just not the right person. They put eight bullets in a person who wasn’t shooting at them.

The officers had a warrant and the correct address. The boyfriend opened fire first. If police identified themselves, allowing that the boyfriend may have been startled and wasn’t clear on who was coming into the house, who is at fault? Were the police not supposed to return fire?

 

Incredible tragedy that an officer and an innocent woman lost their lives. It was a very dangerous situation all around. No doubt this should be investigated, but this is not a clear cut situation.

Damn, here we go again... :ohbrother:

Just not the right person. They put eight bullets in a person who wasn’t shooting at them.

 

That is correct.

My son, who used to be in law enforcement, was angry when he read about this event. He was ticked at the number of bullets fired in response to the first shot. He said, "The one thing that you are taught is never to 'spray' an area in response. Just because of this very thing. Innocent people die when officers just send out bullet's."

 

Just an insight he shared with me this morning.

My son, who used to be in law enforcement, was angry when he read about this event. He was ticked at the number of bullets fired in response to the first shot. He said, "The one thing that you are taught is never to 'spray' an area in response. Just because of this very thing. Innocent people die when officers just send out bullet's."

 

Just an insight he shared with me this morning.

 

Agreed, supposed to be able to account for every bullet fired. Another reason why cover fire/suppressive fire like often seen on TV shows isn't a real thing. Too much possibility of the wrong person getting shot.

 

Have they said what agency is investigating the shooting? A lot of police departments around the state are having Kentucky State Police investigate any officer involved shootings, most departments around the state aren't nearly as large as Louisville Metro though.

My son, who used to be in law enforcement, was angry when he read about this event. He was ticked at the number of bullets fired in response to the first shot. He said, "The one thing that you are taught is never to 'spray' an area in response. Just because of this very thing. Innocent people die when officers just send out bullet's."

 

Just an insight he shared with me this morning.

 

Excellent point.

There are now several outlets reporting that this was indeed a "no-knock" warrant, so I am even more skeptical that they actually announced themselves upon entering the apartment.

I’m ignorant on this. Is it normal to execute a search warrant at 1 am?