3. Covington Catholic has not beaten a team ranked as high by Massey as Johnson Central.

 

...and obviously the inverse is correct as well. In fact, CovCath has 5 wins better than JC's "best win."

 

Of course, all of this means NOTHING on Friday night.

 

Like 2Short mentioned, I don't know why we're getting caught up in all of this nonsense when the young men will settle it for us in 3.5 days.

Home field and the travel involved for CC is a big edge for JC that could keep the game close. If it's a blowout, then CC wins. I could see either team winning if it stays close throughout. NKY is pulling for the Blue Colonels.

Actually, Highlands has a higher power rating than Johnson Central, but the overall rating suffers because of its record against a tough schedule. It's the one aspect of the Massey Ratings that bothers me ... it appears to penalize teams for playing tough schedules.

I used the rating that Massey uses to rank the teams. If you have a problem with that the you should address it to Mr. Massey. Something else to consider is that Johnson Central, despite pounding most of its opponents has substituted early and often, given up most of its touchdowns with the second and third team defense on the field, and consequently is ranked a little lower than it could have been. I honestly don't see how Massey has penalized Covington Catholic for playing a tough schedule. They are ranked third overall in all classes, despite losing to 3 strong teams. To believe that the Colonels have been penalized for their schedule, you would have to believe that Covington Catholic is better than St. X. As for Highlands, it is hard to see how a team ranked 11th in all classes with a 7-5 record has been penalized for playing a tough schedule.

 

I like the Massey rankings. Massey is much quicker to recognize when a team just doesn't have the horses in a given year than any of the non-computer systems are. When teams don't live up to pre-season hype, corrections are made fairly quickly and the computer is not reluctant to drop a team 10 spots in the rankings if it fails to perform as expected.

 

Computers seem to have a knack for recognizing the impact that coaching changes and graduation losses have on "traditional" powerhouses - and on traditional doormats. Johnson Central's hiring of Jim Matney three years ago resulted in an entirely different program than the one that was in place before he arrived, and the departure of Chuck Smith from Boyle County had an immediate impact on that program. Massey's rankings recognized that those programs had changed without factoring in tradition and the teams' performance in past years.

Just to let everybody know, tickets for this game are on sale at Johnson Central. NO passes of any kind (coaches, referee...) will not be accepcted at the game. Gates will open at 4:00.

I used the rating that Massey uses to rank the teams.

Yeah, and I pulled my rating out of thin air ...

I honestly don't see how Massey has penalized Covington Catholic for playing a tough schedule.

I didn't make that claim about Covington Catholic. I made it about Highlands.

As for Highlands, it is hard to see how a team ranked 11th in all classes with a 7-5 record has been penalized for playing a tough schedule.

Well, their power rating is ranked sixth, yet their overall rating is 11th. It's something that consistently happens in the Massey system.

I like the Massey rankings. Massey is much quicker to recognize when a team just doesn't have the horses in a given year than any of the non-computer systems are. When teams don't live up to pre-season hype, corrections are made fairly quickly and the computer is not reluctant to drop a team 10 spots in the rankings if it fails to perform as expected.

 

Computers seem to have a knack for recognizing the impact that coaching changes and graduation losses have on "traditional" powerhouses - and on traditional doormats. Johnson Central's hiring of Jim Matney three years ago resulted in an entirely different program than the one that was in place before he arrived, as and the departure of Chuck Smith from Boyle County had an immediate impact on that program. Massey's rankings recognized that those programs had changed without factoring in tradition and the teams' performance in past years.

Or maybe it was all those lopsided wins.

Gates will open at 4:00.

 

Wow. 4:00? We're doomed...

Wow. 4:00? We're doomed...

I just might be able to help you out. :thumb:

You have a problem with someone that points out facts and uses them to make an argument?

 

If you don't like the argument, counter it with some facts.

 

Facts?, what do facts have to do with what happens on the field this friday night?

 

Facts are for a bunch of fat old men that are never wazzes, or never will bee's.

I used the rating that Massey uses to rank the teams. If you have a problem with that the you should address it to Mr. Massey. Something else to consider is that Johnson Central, despite pounding most of its opponents has substituted early and often, given up most of its touchdowns with the second and third team defense on the field, and consequently is ranked a little lower than it could have been. I honestly don't see how Massey has penalized Covington Catholic for playing a tough schedule. They are ranked third overall in all classes, despite losing to 3 strong teams. To believe that the Colonels have been penalized for their schedule, you would have to believe that Covington Catholic is better than St. X. As for Highlands, it is hard to see how a team ranked 11th in all classes with a 7-5 record has been penalized for playing a tough schedule.

 

I like the Massey rankings. Massey is much quicker to recognize when a team just doesn't have the horses in a given year than any of the non-computer systems are. When teams don't live up to pre-season hype, corrections are made fairly quickly and the computer is not reluctant to drop a team 10 spots in the rankings if it fails to perform as expected.

 

Computers seem to have a knack for recognizing the impact that coaching changes and graduation losses have on "traditional" powerhouses - and on traditional doormats. Johnson Central's hiring of Jim Matney three years ago resulted in an entirely different program than the one that was in place before he arrived, and the departure of Chuck Smith from Boyle County had an immediate impact on that program. Massey's rankings recognized that those programs had changed without factoring in tradition and the teams' performance in past years.

How many Johnson Central games have you actually watched in person the last 3 years, Landshark?

Yeah, and I pulled my rating out of thin air ...

I didn't make that claim about Covington Catholic. I made it about Highlands.

Well, their power rating is ranked sixth, yet their overall rating is 11th. It's something that consistently happens in the Massey system.

Or maybe it was all those lopsided wins.

Massey uses the stat that he believes provides the most accurate ranking of the teams. If he believed that his own power ranking was the most accurate indicator of team strength, then I am sure that he would use that stat for the rankings. You are grasping at straws to make the case that Highlands is underranked at No. 11 in all classes with 5 losses. Covington Catholic may be a better team than JC, but we know that Highlands isn't and the Massey ratings are a reflection of that fact.

Covington Catholic may be a better team than JC, but we know that Highlands isn't and the Massey ratings are a reflection of that fact.

We know that? How? Have Highlands and Johnson Central played each other?

 

That's hardly a fact ... it's your opinion.

I dont think Johnson Central has ever played Highlands in football.

Massey uses the stat that he believes provides the most accurate ranking of the teams. If he believed that his own power ranking was the most accurate indicator of team strength, then I am sure that he would use that stat for the rankings. You are grasping at straws to make the case that Highlands is underranked at No. 11 in all classes with 5 losses. Covington Catholic may be a better team than JC, but we know that Highlands isn't and the Massey ratings are a reflection of that fact.

You KNOW Highlands isn't as good as Johnson Central. The tale will be told this weekend against Cov. Highlands is just a little bit under Cov, so when Cov wins this game by 28, the story will be told.

How many Johnson Central games have you actually watched in person the last 3 years, Landshark?

Only a handful because my work has taken me out of state. I have listened to most of the games that I have missed, although it would be great if WSIP would start webcasting them. I also watched Johnson Central play several of Matney's Sheldon Clark teams over the years and I am not surprised at all that he has turned the program around in such a short time. His teams beat JC when they shouldn't have and the games were closer than they should have been in the games that JC won. I have never seen Matney get outcoached and now he has the numbers to avoid rebuilding years. I wish that he had taken the job in 2001.

 

If you believe that somebody has to see JC play in person to understand how the program has fundamentally changed for the better, then I would have to respectfully disagree. I watched nearly all of the games in 1999 and 2000 and those teams had some great individual talent, but the depth, special teams play, and pass defense were lacking. Those things hurt them against good teams and limited their playoff success. This JC team is best known for its explosive offense, but IMO, defense and depth is what sets it apart from the excellent 2000 team.

You KNOW Highlands isn't as good as Johnson Central. The tale will be told this weekend against Cov. Highlands is just a little bit under Cov, so when Cov wins this game by 28, the story will be told.

Actually, my wording was not as precise as it should have been. We know that CCH is better than Highlands. Whether CCH is better than JC has not yet been determined. Regardless of how the game turns out Friday night, we will not know for sure how a game between HHS and JC would turn out.