You can’t possibly be serious? Development of a player by a coach is why you see players go from a nobody as a freshman or sophomore and into a player as a junior or senior. Does maturity/physically growing have some to do with that? Yes. But to say that position coaches don’t develop players is absolutely absurd. I don’t care how good or physically gifted you are, you need development to be successful.

All you have to do is look at guys who were the best middle schools players or freshman players or high school players that were not successful because all they did was rely on their given talent.

 

This is a good post.

So was Coach Engler a QB Guru at Lex Cath or not?? Was he just an OC that had good talent?

 

The way this is phrased its more the later than the former. Most of LexCath QBs were starters as sophomores or juniors. There was not years of grooming to only start their senior year. They came in with throwing skills and could do at basic reads and execute check downs as freshmen.

I think it is interesting that we are talking about Ryle’s QB and not the fact that their line isn’t giving him time to throw and the wide receivers aren’t getting separation.

 

CavCath had all day to throw and wide receivers had 5 yards of separation. Looked like a 7 on 7 drill.

 

I thought Ryle’s QB made some good plays under direst.

 

Overall this is the smallest/slowest Ryle team I have seen in years.

You can’t possibly be serious? Development of a player by a coach is why you see players go from a nobody as a freshman or sophomore and into a player as a junior or senior. Does maturity/physically growing have some to do with that? Yes. But to say that position coaches don’t develop players is absolutely absurd. I don’t care how good or physically gifted you are, you need development to be successful.

All you have to do is look at guys who were the best middle schools players or freshman players or high school players that were not successful because all they did was rely on their given talent.

 

You took the words right out of my mouth

I’ll add that Tanner went to a lot of football camps on his own.

 

Two things I will add on Tanner Morgan.

 

1. If I remember right he spent two years at Hazard ( freshman and sophomore?) before coming back to Ryle, so he is not a good example to use if you are trying to determine how quarterbacks develop at Ryle.

 

2. I agree with your camps comment... in my opinion Tanner Morgan made himself into the quarterback he is through his own efforts. I saw him play when he was I believe an 8th grader and I never would have guessed he would become a D1 quarterback when I saw him then

Honest question here, does anyone really think that high school coaches develop kids at any position? I for one do not think so. A good high school coach takes the talent he is dealt with and finds the best places on the field to make use of that talent. Engler had "0" hand in the development of Tanner Morgan just as Dale Mueller had "0" hand in the development of Jo-Lo, Gino and Pat Towles. Now a coach can devise an offensive scheme to make use of those talents and be very successful, but development is a completely different animal.

 

Might depend on your definition of "develop" but I do think high school coaches develop kids. Kids have multiple avenues to improve but their high school coaches definitely play a significant role. Especially in football where there isn't a club or summer team component. Coaches teach and teaching is developing.

 

Using a local example ... and maybe a loaded one because of their relationship ... do you think Coach Eviston has developed and will continue to develop Caleb Jacob?

Might depend on your definition of "develop" but I do think high school coaches develop kids. Kids have multiple avenues to improve but their high school coaches definitely play a significant role. Especially in football where there isn't a club or summer team component. Coaches teach and teaching is developing.

 

Using a local example ... and maybe a loaded one because of their relationship ... do you think Coach Eviston has developed and will continue to develop Caleb Jacob?

 

I agree with you in that the definition of "develop" may be different for everyone. Has Eviston developed the kid or has the kid developed through the maturation process? Question of semantics I guess.

 

As for the Ryle situation, not sure "development" is the issue as much as it might be a lack of teaching the quarterback position at the lower levels.

It is worth noting that Tanner Morgan also went to Hazard for a minute or two as well....

 

Hazard has developed several quality High School QB's including current QB Bailey Blair

Who claims that Mike is a QB guru? I doubt that Mike would consider himself a QB guru. He had a lot of success at Lex Cath as OC and has done a solid job while at Ryle running his own program. Let’s give the current QB a chance to get some games under his belt. And some on this thread insinuate that Mike had nothing to do with Morgan’s development as a QB? That’s crazy

Two things I will add on Tanner Morgan.

 

1. If I remember right he spent two years at Hazard ( freshman and sophomore?) before coming back to Ryle, so he is not a good example to use if you are trying to determine how quarterbacks develop at Ryle.

 

2. I agree with your camps comment... in my opinion Tanner Morgan made himself into the quarterback he is through his own efforts. I saw him play when he was I believe an 8th grader and I never would have guessed he would become a D1 quarterback when I saw him then

 

I disagree with your last point. I watched him at practice when he was in 8th grade. Just about every practice and game (my son was a 7th grader playing at the time). He was making varsity level passes as an 8th grader. If he would have stayed at Ryle, there was a good chance he would have started all 4 years. His passes had a noise to them, they whistled. I knew right then and there that he would be A D1 talent. Pretty accurate as an 8th grader too.

I agree with you in that the definition of "develop" may be different for everyone. Has Eviston developed the kid or has the kid developed through the maturation process? Question of semantics I guess.

 

As for the Ryle situation, not sure "development" is the issue as much as it might be a lack of teaching the quarterback position at the lower levels.

 

Both. The kid has grown and will continue to develop physically. And his coaches are working on his mental toughness and the intricacies of being a better quarter back (reading defenses, protection schemes, route progression, etc.). The work with his coaches will have a significant impact on his development as a QB.

Let’s not forget that these kids are students first and all kids develop at different paces.

Coaches make kids better but more importantly the players need to have the heart to make themselves better as well.

I think as the season goes on, Ryle’s QB will improve but remember they started off the year against their best opponent.

I think the last sentence in the post above is apropos.

Ryles problem at QB stems from the lack of development of QB's by the Union Raiders program. QB's must start out at an early age, play the position, learn the position and put in the work. I high school coach then fine tunes that player to fit the teams schemes.

The old saying of you can't make chicken salad out of chicken poo! You have to have kids coming in the program who have the physical and mental ability to play the position. So far from what ive seen Ryle has had only one player since Coach Engler has been there fit that and it was Tanner Morgan. He and his father put in the time and effort to get him ready to play the position. Not seen a single player or family other than him do that!