May 23, 20188 yr “Hey, those of you who have a problem with this come with an answer. If you can’t it’s not a problem,and you’re wrong.” Makes perfect sense. We've made suggestions, for years now, but since it doesn't match what a lot of you want, it gets scoffed at, ridiculed, dimissed and ignored.
May 23, 20188 yr I was speaking of school shootings and they are overwhelmingly this generation. Yes, whaen you add all of them into it, many that commit the crime are between the ages of 20 and 49. What you explain is what I hear in the media, not the norm, at least what I see and I see a lot and have for nearly 40 years now. The vast majority of people still use them to put food on their table, they still use them for protection, they still teach their children to use them safely and they're still taught a healthy respect for guns. Ther are and have always been exceptions to these and telling me there hasn't won't work because I've been closer to it than most and have seen it for a long time. I agree we can and always could do better. Who claims it's patriotic to own a gun? I know of no one that says that. The 'Merica thing is old and tired rhetoric and we all now where it came from. The "Take my gun when you can pry it from my cold, dead hand" was a Charleston Heston remark in response to gun bans that's simply over played. You can buy as many guns as you want so long as you're a law abiding citizen and that shouldn't bother anyone. I've never heard of people taking their graduation photos with their guns, but in some parts of the country it wouldn't surprise me if it happened even in the 50s. I'd say most (darn near all) gun owners want children to be safe, want you and your brother to be able to own guns and want guns to be stored safely. There have always been irresponsible adults, that's nothing new, I do want it to change though. Just this morning, I followed a guy into work that had the NRA-Heston slogan on a bumper sticker. It was a NEW bumper sticker. It had an American flag on it. On a side note, RTS, I find it a little funny you buy into all this "millennial" mumbo jumbo, but not that America's gun culture borders on ridiculous.
May 23, 20188 yr We've made suggestions, for years now, but since it doesn't match what a lot of you want, it gets scoffed at, ridiculed, dimissed and ignored. You have, and we have had some good discussions on those things.
May 23, 20188 yr Author We've made suggestions, for years now, but since it doesn't match what a lot of you want, it gets scoffed at, ridiculed, dimissed and ignored. That goes both ways. The other "side" has made suggestions for years (ones that don't include taking your guns), and they've been scoffed at, ridiculed, dismissed, and ignored.
May 23, 20188 yr Just this morning, I followed a guy into work that had the NRA-Heston slogan on a bumper sticker. It was a NEW bumper sticker. It had an American flag on it. On a side note, RTS, I find it a little funny you buy into all this "millennial" mumbo jumbo, but not that America's gun culture borders on ridiculous. I'm not buying into anything, it's true that the majority of school shootings have been by the younger generation. This one was too, no? I realize some still use that slogan, I also know why. It is pretty old though.
May 23, 20188 yr You have, and we have had some good discussions on those things. Yes, and others did exactly what I said they did.
May 23, 20188 yr That goes both ways. The other "side" has made suggestions for years (ones that don't include taking your guns), and they've been scoffed at, ridiculed, dismissed, and ignored. Never said they didn't. Some have on both sides, some have tried to come up with answers. Yet you yourself are guilty in this thread of pretending only "your side" cares or at least alluded to it.
May 23, 20188 yr Author Never said they didn't. Some have on both sides, some have tried to come up with answers. Yet you yourself are guilty in this thread of pretending only "your side" cares. Not true. I said there's a large segment of people that don't see the need for any types of changes. Those people don't care. There's also a lot of anti-gun control folks (yourself included) that do care. I also don't think the NRA or the gun industry care one iota. They obviously don't want these incidents to happen, but when they do, they know it means an uptick in $$.
May 23, 20188 yr Not true, merely rhetoric. It is absolutely true for those folks who never offer any solutions and only try to point out flaws in the pro gun control folks' discussion. If you don't fall in that category, it isn't true about you.
May 23, 20188 yr Author Are you talking specifically about guns or shootings in general? I missed this earlier....Both.
May 23, 20188 yr I was speaking of school shootings and they are overwhelmingly this generation. Yes, whaen you add all of them into it, many that commit the crime are between the ages of 20 and 49. What you explain is what I hear in the media, not the norm, at least what I see and I see a lot and have for nearly 40 years now. The vast majority of people still use them to put food on their table, they still use them for protection, they still teach their children to use them safely and they're still taught a healthy respect for guns. Ther are and have always been exceptions to these and telling me there hasn't won't work because I've been closer to it than most and have seen it for a long time. I agree we can and always could do better. Who claims it's patriotic to own a gun? I know of no one that says that. The 'Merica thing is old and tired rhetoric and we all now where it came from. The "Take my gun when you can pry it from my cold, dead hand" was a Charleston Heston remark in response to gun bans that's simply over played. You can buy as many guns as you want so long as you're a law abiding citizen and that shouldn't bother anyone. I've never heard of people taking their graduation photos with their guns, but in some parts of the country it wouldn't surprise me if it happened even in the 50s. I'd say most (darn near all) gun owners want children to be safe, want you and your brother to be able to own guns and want guns to be stored safely. There have always been irresponsible adults, that's nothing new, I do want it to change though. We can agree to disagree on most of this and still be friends. As for the graduation photo, just google "Kent State gun girl."
May 23, 20188 yr I missed this earlier....Both. Regarding guns I would agree. Regarding school shootings, I've heard no one say something shouldn't change. Even the most staunch gun rights advocates would agree something needs to be done. It's the what that we can't agree on.
May 23, 20188 yr Author Regarding school shootings, I've heard no one say something shouldn't change. Even the most staunch gun rights advocates would agree something needs to be done. It's the what that we can't agree on. I've heard it quite often. The common theme is, "Some nutjob shoots up a school and everyone thinks we need to change things because of one incident."
May 23, 20188 yr I've heard it quite often. The common theme is, "Some nutjob shoots up a school and everyone thinks we need to change things because of one incident." I've never heard that once much less quite often. I'm guessing there are those out there with that mindset but they would be the fringe. 100% of issues have the crazy fringe that everyone should ignore.
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