I agree but we need to quit ignoring the ones that are abusing the system.

 

I agree with that too, but again, how? Which number would be bigger: the dollar amount of fraudulent cases or the dollar amount it would take to find, eliminate, and control the fraud?

I would be in support of scaling up the tax deductions for charitable donations to faith based organizations that target the same population as current government social programs, while at the same time, scaling down taxpayer funding of government programs.

Honest question seeking honest answer... What about you? Would you like to see the divide healed?

 

Would I like to see the divide healed yes, will it ever heal no.

I don't think it is a matter of ignoring fraud, it is a matter of being too incompetent to identify fraud.

 

Failures aren't always based on whether someone is competent or not. Here it's likely a numbers game. People responsible for compliance are likely overworked and under resourced. The narrative that people don't want to, are too lazy, or not smart enough to do a good job, is another one that is simply, for the most part, not true.

I agree with that too, but again, how? Which number would be bigger: the dollar amount of fraudulent cases or the dollar amount it would take to find, eliminate, and control the fraud?

 

This^^. Too many times, organizations get caught up in managing to the exceptions. And in almost every case, doing so is not only inefficient, it often ends up affecting the positive processes that are in place. At some point, you hit place of diminishing returns. Are we at that point in this case? I don't know the answer to that.

What makes the Church better qualified to make those decisions?

 

You think there aren't corrupt people stealing money in churches?

 

I don't trust the Catholic Church any more than I trust the government. There are people out for their own personal gain in both groups and I see no reason to believe putting something like this into the religious forum is a good idea.

 

Don't trust Faith Based Organizations. Evaluate the numbers!

Don't trust Faith Based Organizations. Evaluate the numbers!

 

Can you post numbers and links to sources here for us to review?

Can you post numbers and links to sources here for us to review?

 

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Don't trust Faith Based Organizations. Evaluate the numbers!

 

I see no numbers that indicate this works on a national level. And still no reason to believe it can't be cheated like the current system.

Definitely agree we need to find the ones abusing the system and cut them off. The issue is how do we do that. Cutting everybody off certainly isn't the answer.

 

A great first step would be to more heavily regulate where and what can be purchased on the tax payers dime.

 

I'll never support a system that allows someone to buy candy, chips and Starbucks energy drinks from a gas station.

A great first step would be to more heavily regulate where and what can be purchased on the tax payers dime.

 

I'll never support a system that allows someone to buy candy, chips and Starbucks energy drinks from a gas station.

 

As long as they are getting actual money, you'll never control what they buy.

A great first step would be to more heavily regulate where and what can be purchased on the tax payers dime.

 

I'll never support a system that allows someone to buy candy, chips and Starbucks energy drinks from a gas station.

 

While good in theory, there are lots of problems with that thought. Just having access to healthy choices is a major problem in poor areas. Second, these folks are already operating on a limited budget, and restricting what they can purchase, is a little on the punitive side, regardless of healthy eating goals. And unhealthy choices are almost universally cheaper than healthy ones. Not to mention the confusion that would be added to the checkout process which is a burden on the store, the buyer, and everyone else waiting in line.

Is it always fraud or is it sometimes knowing how to beat the system? I am amazed when the impoverished beat the system, and believe me some know how and do, and find a loophole, they are a freeloader. When a rich person beats the tax system with loopholes, which they also know how and do, they are a genius or smart. That is the impetus of the divide, along with different values.

Is it always fraud or is it sometimes knowing how to beat the system? I am amazed when the impoverished beat the system, and believe me some know how and do, and find a loophole, they are a freeloader. When a rich person beats the tax system with loopholes, which they also know how and do, they are a genius or smart. That is the impetus of the divide, along with different values.

 

I'm perfectly okay with admitting this, but I had never made the comparison you just did, and it is incredibly accurate and appropriate. It's okay when the rich folks, but not okay for the restaurant of us...

I see no numbers that indicate this works on a national level. And still no reason to believe it can't be cheated like the current system.

 

So you are content to continue investing in failure?

 

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