April 1, 20179 yr My question is how do they make that call after not calling it a foul to start with? It happened right in front of the official. That was just a play that happens in basketball all the time. No intent and no flagrant foul.
April 1, 20179 yr Refs made up the F1 call by letting the blocking call go on MSU on the next possession, when the girl slid in late trying to take a charge.
April 1, 20179 yr I have 3 daughters that all play sports, the oldest at the college level. I love watching women's hoops at this level and appreciate the effort and commitment required to put on a show like last night. The streak had to end sometime and what a streak it was. Kudos to MSU for their gritty and gutty performance and kudos to UConn for making a game of it when it looked like they would get trashed. I am a big fan of Geno and his program and they will be back in full force next year with most of the lineup returning. He schedules only the best in non-conference and I am willing to bet that MSU is on the Huskies' schedule next season. Can't wait.
April 1, 20179 yr Author So what is the specific rule on a flagrant 1? Is there any interpretation as to whether contact is incidental? Or is it a flagrant 1 no matter what if there is contact made above the shoulders (to head and neck)? Finally, how far back in a game can refs go to review a play? The play last night happened when MSU was playing defense, got a turnover (dead ball), refs put the ball back in play, MSU goes down and misses a shot, U Conn rebounds and dribbles back to their end and calls a timeout. During this timeout about 25 seconds after the contact and after all the above happened the refs reviewed the play and then called a flagrant 1 which gave U Conn two free throws that allowed them to tie the game with about 20 seconds left to play.
April 1, 20179 yr Great game. I thought the flagrant foul was going to cost them but UConn turnover gave the Bulldogs the last shot and Williams came through. SEC championship game. The flagrant foul was a terrible call. There was no intent at all as the girl was raising her arm to intercept the pass and I don't think she even knew the Conn. girl was even there. No intent at all, purely incidental. No foul call at the time either. would have been a sin to cost Miss. St the game on a call like that. The Williams girl really bailed the refs out. They looked lost when reviewing the replay and didn't know what to call.
April 1, 20179 yr Author So what is the specific rule on a flagrant 1? Is there any interpretation as to whether contact is incidental? Or is it a flagrant 1 no matter what if there is contact made above the shoulders (to head and neck)? Finally, how far back in a game can refs go to review a play? The play last night happened when MSU was playing defense, got a turnover (dead ball), refs put the ball back in play, MSU goes down and misses a shot, U Conn rebounds and dribbles back to their end and calls a timeout. During this timeout about 25 seconds after the contact and after all the above happened the refs reviewed the play and then called a flagrant 1 which gave U Conn two free throws that allowed them to tie the game with about 20 seconds left to play. @Clyde, @gametime or others who might know officiating rules ... thoughts on the above questions?
April 1, 20179 yr The flagrant foul was a terrible call. There was no intent at all as the girl was raising her arm to intercept the pass and I don't think she even knew the Conn. girl was even there. No intent at all, purely incidental. No foul call at the time either. would have been a sin to cost Miss. St the game on a call like that. The Williams girl really bailed the refs out. They looked lost when reviewing the replay and didn't know what to call. I agree. And the UConn player sold it with a Hollywood act by grabbing her throat like she was killed as she was falling. The replay didn't look like it was anything more than her arm grazing her neck, purly incidental. I'm surprised the refs didn't come to that conclusion.
April 1, 20179 yr Author I agree. And the UConn player sold it with a Hollywood act by grabbing her throat like she was killed as she was falling. The replay didn't look like it was anything more than her arm grazing her neck, purly incidental. I'm surprised the refs didn't come to that conclusion. I agree with you on the act by the UConn player. The contact did not look like it was anywhere near the level of contact that would have caused her to fall like that. CCH's former player Nick Ruthsatz would have been very proud of that act. He had it perfected.
April 1, 20179 yr Author I'll give this one more shot and bump it up the thread list. If no one responds to the officiating questions above, I will post it in its own thread to see if we can get some answers. See post #22 above. Anyone have knowledge or answers to the questions posed?
April 1, 20179 yr I'll give this one more shot and bump it up the thread list. If no one responds to the officiating questions above, I will post it in its own thread to see if we can get some answers. See post #22 above. Anyone have knowledge or answers to the questions posed? They said during the game any contact to the face is automatic. Just like in football when it's incidental, it still has to be called.
April 2, 20179 yr My question is how do they make that call after not calling it a foul to start with? It happened right in front of the official. That was just a play that happens in basketball all the time. No intent and no flagrant foul. Agree on every one of your points.
April 2, 20179 yr They said during the game any contact to the face is automatic. Just like in football when it's incidental, it still has to be called. Exactly, which is why I said during the game thread its the rule thats terrible.
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