In this election over 1/2 a million (and growing) people's votes are trashed in our current system.

In this election over 1/2 a million (and growing) people's votes are trashed in our current system.

 

And this year it's such a beautiful shame.

The Electoral College argument sort of intrigues me. Since HRC lost, I am glad that we have it. If the opposite happened and Trump won the popular vote but lost the Electoral College, I would be saying we should scrap the EC. I have to admit I am biased about the whole thing. I think a lot of other folks on here are as well.

 

What we do have to remember is that both sides campaigned knowing the rules when the election started and campaigned accordingly. If we had no EC, both sides would have campaigned in a totally different way so it is way too easy to say she would have won the popular vote if there was no EC. She may very well have but it is not a given.

 

Finally, I don't think the EC is going away any time soon...it would be very difficult to get rid of it at this point. The funny thing is that BEFORE the election, all the talking heads were saying how unkind the EC map was to Trump and Republicans. Shows what they know...

Saw the other day where CNN claimed that when all ballots are counted, Donald Trump will win the popular vote. I also saw something this morning that claims Donald Trump did indeed win the popular vote 62,972,226 to 62,277,750 with the EC totals Trump 306 and Clinton 232. I don't know that I can trust the source since I've never heard of them. Anyone else hear anything?

In this election over 1/2 a million (and growing) people's votes are trashed in our current system.

This kind of statement reminds me of people blaming referees for every game that their favorite team loses.

 

Both candidates ran their campaigns under the same set of rules. They both campaigned in states where they believed that they had a chance of winning electoral votes, without regard to popular votes.

 

If the rules had been different, then both candidates would have campaigned differently. Without the Electoral College, candidates would focus their time and money in such a way to maximize their popular votes. That would mean that sparsely populated parts of the country would be virtually ignored.

 

The effects of eliminating the Electoral College would not be limited to how presidential campaigns are waged. Given their fondness of buying votes with other people's money, incumbent presidents would be much more likely to support spending on infrastructure and other job producing projects in large population centers, which not coincidentally would be large media markets.

 

So, those of you who live in Kentucky or in other fly-over states who advocate the elimination of the Electoral College because your liberal candidate lost the state's popular vote again, you should be taking a longer view of the impact that eliminating the EC would have on your home state.

This kind of statement reminds me of people blaming referees for every game that their favorite team loses.

 

Both candidates ran their campaigns under the same set of rules. They both campaigned in states where they believed that they had a chance of winning electoral votes, without regard to popular votes.

 

If the rules had been different, then both candidates would have campaigned differently. Without the Electoral College, candidates would focus their time and money in such a way to maximize their popular votes. That would mean that sparsely populated parts of the country would be virtually ignored.

 

The effects of eliminating the Electoral College would not be limited to how presidential campaigns are waged. Given their fondness of buying votes with other people's money, incumbent presidents would be much more likely to support spending on infrastructure and other job producing projects in large population centers, which not coincidentally would be large media markets.

 

So, those of you who live in Kentucky or in other fly-over states who advocate the elimination of the Electoral College because your liberal candidate lost the state's popular vote again, you should be taking a longer view of the impact that eliminating the EC would have on your home state.

 

Did either candidate visit Kentucky in the general election?

 

I have stated on here about 5 times. On this issue I don't care who won.

 

The EC suppresses vote in deep red and deep blue states.

 

Next election: candidates will hit the Rust Belt and Florida.

 

No one will be in KY, Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama, Wyoming, etc.

 

You're probably right in the idea it isn't changing. That would take a major movement and frankly these things are only thought about around elections: we can lump voter fraud, voter ids, and voter suppression in there too.

Did either candidate visit Kentucky in the general election?

 

I have stated on here about 5 times. On this issue I don't care who won.

 

The EC suppresses vote in deep red and deep blue states.

 

Next election: candidates will hit the Rust Belt and Florida.

 

No one will be in KY, Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama, Wyoming, etc.

 

You're probably right in the idea it isn't changing. That would take a major movement and frankly these things are only thought about around elections: we can lump voter fraud, voter ids, and voter suppression in there too.

Trump held a rally in Kentucky on July 11, months after the Kentucky GOP primary was held. I am not sure, but I do not believe that Hillary made an appearance during the general campaign, but after supporting Obama's war on coal, that was probably a rare good decision on her part.

 

The elimination of the Electoral College would give states like California, New York, and Texas even more political clout than they already have and that clout would come at the expense of sparsely populated states like Kentucky.

It does appear Trump won the popular vote, also.

Trump held a rally in Kentucky on July 11, months after the Kentucky GOP primary was held. I am not sure, but I do not believe that Hillary made an appearance during the general campaign, but after supporting Obama's war on coal, that was probably a rare good decision on her part.

 

The elimination of the Electoral College would give states like California, New York, and Texas even more political clout than they already have and that clout would come at the expense of sparsely populated states like Kentucky.

 

1 visit to KY vs. 50 by both to Florida...ok we are important. I stand corrected. :lol2:

 

Yes, also it would mean the republicans in NY and Cal and Dems in Texas would have a bigger voice.

It does appear Trump won the popular vote, also.

 

Anybody got a link on this because my google machine keeps telling me HRC's popular lead is growing? RIGGED :lol2:

1 visit to KY vs. 50 by both to Florida...ok we are important. I stand corrected. :lol2:

 

Yes, also it would mean the republicans in NY and Cal and Dems in Texas would have a bigger voice.

That is one more than he would have made without the Electoral College. You are also dismissing the political ads by both candidates that reached Kentucky. Cincy is not a large media market, but both candidates campaigned heavily throughout Ohio because of its electoral votes.

 

You are also ignoring the likely impact that eliminating the Electoral College would have on federal spending in states like Kentucky. If you believe that is an unimportant consideration, then I suggest that you find a list of the 10 most affluent counties in the U.S. and notice their proximity to Washington, DC, and other major population centers.

 

The transfer of wealth from throughout this nation to areas such as the one in which I live is staggering. Our streets are not paved with gold, but pot holes are rare and jobs are plentiful, even during the deepest recessions.

Per the NYT, Clinton leads it by around 600,000 votes, roughly half a point. All of California is in, but Washington and Utah and notable states I found in my rapid clicking that still have votes to tally. http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president

 

The NYT had recently predicted that Hillary would win popular by 1.5-2 million. That seems hard to envision at this point.

Ultimately looks like HRC won California and New York by around 4.3 million votes.

Trump actually won the popular vote, too.

Trump actually won the popular vote, too.

Um, no he didn't.

 

Who Won the Popular Vote? : snopes.com