Do you actually remember what we call this Country of ours? The UNITED STATES of AMERICA and not the Largest states of America! Each State/Commonwealth has the same stake in this country, be they the smallest or the largest. The largest shouldn't get their way just because they have larger population and the EC makes certain that the whole Country gets to decide to whom will lead the UNITED STATES of AMERICA.

 

But the whole country does not decide under the Electoral College either. I'm a Democrat living in KY who used to live in Delaware and Pennsylvania. My vote did count in my previous two states. My vote in KY hasn't counted for anything in the nearly 20 years I've lived here. I simply don't understand why those who live in large cities should have any less say than those that don't. As a country, we basically just cast aside 2 million votes. It's not difficult to see why there is a sense of hopelessness in our large inner cities when we tell them their votes don't count, or they don't deserve an opportunity to have a say in who governs the country.

I think turnout is low because of the candidates we get and people are lazy.

 

I think in the 8th grade most of you may have been too young to really grasp the concept of the Electoral College, just an opinion.

 

Maybe. But casting meaningless votes doesn't do much to inspire people to get out either.

 

And I would agree...in 8th, I wasn't really able to grasp the concept of the EC. And in many ways, I'm still unable to completely grasp the concept at the age of 46.

An amusing observation in all of this.

 

Prior to the election, many of my right-leaning friends were bemoaning the EC. Now they're all for it.

 

The most vocal of them, however, counts six million votes that HRC received that were tainted. 3 million illegals, 2 million dead, and a million write-ins that were somehow altered. So President-elect Trump carried the popular vote after all.

Maybe. But casting meaningless votes doesn't do much to inspire people to get out either.

 

And I would agree...in 8th, I wasn't really able to grasp the concept of the EC. And in many ways, I'm still unable to completely grasp the concept at the age of 46.

 

Rook.

I respectfully disagree.

 

 

Which one is you, Papa?

 

Just kidding with ya. :DI know you and I are close to the same age.

Hey! Maybe the rural voters who are so adept at managing everything so much more efficiently, and are better decision makers would be willing to forego their share of the tax dollars that flow to their communities from those big cities.

Which one of you would be sounding the EC alarm if Hillary Clinton had won? I mean I went back through all the threads this morning and could not find the outcry from any of you all about the EC. Maybe one of the mods deleted them? Or you all wrote in invisible keyboard strokes? Not taking sides just wondering what happened to all those posts and threads?

Which one of you would be sounding the EC alarm if Hillary Clinton had won? I mean I went back through all the threads this morning and could not find the outcry from any of you all about the EC. Maybe one of the mods deleted them? Or you all wrote in invisible keyboard strokes? Not taking sides just wondering what happened to all those posts and threads?

 

The EC has been discussed on this board more than a few times over the year. But it's like anything else...something isn't a problem until it's a problem. And it's now happened twice in the last 5 elections, and a major reason why there's a feeling of hopelessness in the big cities. People are calling for things, but not being listened to. I also can't help but think the cries would be just as loud (and as warranted) if the shoe was on the other foot.

The EC has been discussed on this board more than a few times over the year. But it's like anything else...something isn't a problem until it's a problem. And it's now happened twice in the last 5 elections, and a major reason why there's a feeling of hopelessness in the big cities. People are calling for things, but not being listened to. I also can't help but think the cries would be just as loud (and as warranted) if the shoe was on the other foot.

 

Would you be sounding the alarm if Clinton had won? Or defending the EC? I would not be sounding it. Its what the founding fathers wanted and set our country up on. If she had won the EC and lost popular vote then she would be the winner. The EC is not going away in my opinion and nor should it.

Would you be sounding the alarm if Clinton had won? Or defending the EC? I would not be sounding it. Its what the founding fathers wanted and set our country up on. If she had won the EC and lost popular vote then she would be the winner. The EC is not going away in my opinion and nor should it.

 

This has nothing to do with HRC or Trump. I'd have the same issue if roles were reversed. I'm not comfortable in a situation where one persons vote means less than another, or is in essence ignored, which is what the EC does. I'm even less comfortable with those who assert that people in big cities should have less say over who's elected President than those who don't live in big cities.

 

I think many really don't understand why the EC was set up in the first place. In short it was to insure the educated, rich, elite had control over who got elected, because they weren't convinced the common man was capable of making the right decision (common man being white, male land owners).

Of course I didn't want Trump to win; however, this is a different argument.

 

Estimation of 2.5 million voters are disenfranchised by the EC in this election.

 

For a little perspective that is more than the 1.8 million of KY voters that came out on Nov. 8.

 

Would you feel the same if it were Hillary that had won the EC and Trump the popular vote?

Would you be sounding the alarm if Clinton had won? Or defending the EC? I would not be sounding it. Its what the founding fathers wanted and set our country up on. If she had won the EC and lost popular vote then she would be the winner. The EC is not going away in my opinion and nor should it.

 

I certainly would have been first in line to get rid of the thing had Clinton won. My post in 2012 (linked in #145) came at a time when it appeared Romney might win the EC and lose the popular vote.

 

But, I'm afraid since it has helped two Republican candidates overcome the popular will twice in the last two decades that side of the aisle is going to dig in their heels to keep it. Though, 11 states (165 EC votes worth) have already passed a National Popular Vote act, where 105 more EC votes would be enough to end the system.

But the whole country does not decide under the Electoral College either. I'm a Democrat living in KY who used to live in Delaware and Pennsylvania. My vote did count in my previous two states. My vote in KY hasn't counted for anything in the nearly 20 years I've lived here. I simply don't understand why those who live in large cities should have any less say than those that don't. As a country, we basically just cast aside 2 million votes. It's not difficult to see why there is a sense of hopelessness in our large inner cities when we tell them their votes don't count, or they don't deserve an opportunity to have a say in who governs the country.

 

Not to be mean or anything but I just about spit out my drink in reading your comment about Ky. You do know that it has been a long, long, long, long, time since the Democrats haven't been in control of the Commonwealth.

 

I will tell you a little story since you feel you are being left out in Ky. I was married in 1970 to a lovely young lady from Ohio and we lived there for a year or two but due to a job change, we moved back to Kentucky. After we moved in I went to the Boone County Courthouse to change my Drivers License, License Plates and to Register to Vote. In Registering to Vote and being a Republican, I was taken aback by the women behind the counter when she inquired "are you sure you want to register Republican"? When I replied yes, she told me "Ok but you will never get to vote in the general election, as the only election that matters in Boone County, is the Democrat Primary"! Talk about having the feeling of being left out.

I certainly would have been first in line to get rid of the thing had Clinton won. My post in 2012 (linked in #145) came at a time when it appeared Romney might win the EC and lose the popular vote.

 

But, I'm afraid since it has helped two Republican candidates overcome the popular will twice in the last two decades that side of the aisle is going to dig in their heels to keep it. Though, 11 states (165 EC votes worth) have already passed a National Popular Vote act, where 105 more EC votes would be enough to end the system.

 

Do you think this will be changed?

Do you think this will be changed?

 

I think it will be done away with at some point. A Democrat winning despite the popular vote will hasten its happening.