What is so bad about the Pikeville offense? Is it the playcalling or just bad execution? Seems like a lot of people are pointing to this and I am just curious to why?

 

YES.

Disappointing loss for the Panthers. Make no mistake, I am a Panther fan all the way, but are there others out there that hate this offense?? I realize we really missed John Michael, but the offense and the play calling mystifies me more every week. Why do you run up the middle on 3rd and fifteen when backed up, then with 3rd and short, drop back 10 yards for a pass?? Talented skill players rarely get the ball. I remember reading a post last year from and Oldham County fan that said we would grow to hate this offense. Funny, I didn't believe him at the time!

 

I will repeat what I said in the update thread.

 

You could put 50 coaches in a think tank for a month, with instructions to come up with a goofier offense than Pikeville runs, and they would all come out in a month scratching their heads, and telling you it just can't be done.:madman:

I will repeat what I said in the update thread.

 

You could put 50 coaches in a think tank for a month, with instructions to come up with a goofier offense than Pikeville runs, and they would all come out in a month scratching their heads, and telling you it just can't be done.:madman:

 

Well said:irked:

I think the offense would work, but probably at a higher level maybe. Pikeville right now does not have the right personnel to run Coach Jacksons offense as effectively as it could be run. And at a small school like Pikeville you are never really going to have a whole lot of players to pick from. Your talent pool is pretty much set, and isn't going to change a whole lot. I would think changing around the offense to better suit the players already out there would be a good idea. This way you can get the playmakers the ball often.

Another thing I noticed is the tremendous amount of pulling and moving around the offensive line for Pikeville does. Against teams that aren't very good, you can get away with doing that. But against teams that have been well taught, all that pulling and moving around can become detrimental to an offense. With all the movement in the backfield from moving lineman and shifting running backs, it's almost like it takes a minor miracle to execute the play properly. I think this offense has potential to work, but I tend to prefer a simpler approach.

From what I heard Pikeville was worn out before the game started. The ride to Corbin was in a charter bus, but the air conditioning was not working the whole way. Once they got there they were basically outside in the heat until the game started. This is no excuse for playing badly, but it certainly couldn't have helped. I agree with MTNFAN, someone needs to step up and lead this team on the field. John Michael Mayo was the leader of this team, and to have any sort of success someone is going to need to take over that responsibility.

 

Don't think they spent all day out in the heat. The air i don't know about.

Who scored for east?

Just what kind of offense do they run?

Who scored for east?

 

A big linebacker picked off a Pikeville pass and ran it about 50 yds to the end zone.

 

I think 84 caught a pass in the end zone, and maybe 6 scored the other. Not sure though.

I'm curious ... what is Pikeville's offensive scheme? I know a couple of people that saw Jackson's teams at Oldham County once and they described it in various ways.

 

What is the base formation? Primarily run or pass? What makes it so unique?

I'm curious ... what is Pikeville's offensive scheme? I know a couple of people that saw Jackson's teams at Oldham County once and they described it in various ways.

 

What is the base formation? Primarily run or pass? What makes it so unique?

shotgun wing-t

75% run

 

Plus, I also hate that offense!!!:irked:

 

That's okay...CovCath, LexCath, and Highlands all hated it too. (But for a different reason!)

 

Good points about some things here...and, it's actually GREAT being in a place where the fans actually care enough about the football to have strong emotions about it and be critical of it!

 

The offense has actually been fine. Our O-line has done a great job at the point of attack. Our backside pull has gotten the job done MOST of the time (and when it hasn't, our "contingency" for it has worked unless their angle was bad). We moved the ball better against Henry Clay than even perennial 3A power Boyle Co. did. Moved it consistently against EJ as well (though losing our QB in week one caused some expected miscommunications about who was to receive the snap -- those will get better as he gets more experience running it).

 

We've had FIVE drives of 10 plays or more in the "Heavy" offense (the "Single-Wing" stuff that people aren't used to) against two VERY good football teams. We break down every drive and try to pinpoint the "drive-killers" on each.

 

We've found that for these VERY good drives (that consume the clock, wear down the opponent, etc.) have been due to THREE things...1) twice: bad play-calls once in the red-zone (completely MY fault...not necessarily "the offense;" we would've been fine if I'd kept running what was working rather than trying a change-up) and 2) an unfortunate fumble (on which, our RB's mouthpiece was ripped off his facemask and his chinstrap torn loose) and 3) twice: miscommunication on who was to take the direct snap. Again, that's a risk of this offense (but one I've seen from experience basically doesn't happen with an experienced QB and is MORE than made up for in what you gain with LB's being "frozen" not knowing who's getting it for one second -- something you can't appreciate watching full-speed).

 

The rest of the offensive drives that haven't been successful have been in the "traditional" style of spread, which most teams in the state our doing. But on those drives, we've been trying to rest our top linemen that play both ways and are doing a GREAT job opening holes in "Heavy." Those other guys are getting better too. And by the end of the year, I think we'll have two VERY formidable attacks that teams will have to spend a lot of time on each week to stop.

 

Just as we're telling our kids, relax; don't get negative. It works and has worked against some of the best teams in the state at the 3A and 4A level. Don't make excuses about why something's not working, but CONSTRUCTIVELY criticize what's happening to cause the problems and work hard to correct them.

 

With the quality of the kids we have and the work-ethic of the coaches on our staff, I have a LOT of faith that the "problems" bogging us down now will get better. Playing HIGH quality football teams to test it may not make for happy fans NOW, but it is the BEST way to EXPOSE the weaknesses that are there to allow us to FIX problems we might not otherwise know exist...and maybe make for "happier" fans later. Hang in there.

I've got to give it to you coach J, you may be the only coach in the state to lay it all on the line by coming on a board like this and taking the heat. I don't know if its courage or crazy, but you sure seem to be a stand-up guy. Good luck to you in the future.

That's okay...CovCath, LexCath, and Highlands all hated it too. (But for a different reason!)

 

Good points about some things here...and, it's actually GREAT being in a place where the fans actually care enough about the football to have strong emotions about it and be critical of it!

 

The offense has actually been fine. Our O-line has done a great job at the point of attack. Our backside pull has gotten the job done MOST of the time (and when it hasn't, our "contingency" for it has worked unless their angle was bad). We moved the ball better against Henry Clay than even perennial 3A power Boyle Co. did. Moved it consistently against EJ as well (though losing our QB in week one caused some expected miscommunications about who was to receive the snap -- those will get better as he gets more experience running it).

 

We've had FIVE drives of 10 plays or more in the "Heavy" offense (the "Single-Wing" stuff that people aren't used to) against two VERY good football teams. We break down every drive and try to pinpoint the "drive-killers" on each.

 

We've found that for these VERY good drives (that consume the clock, wear down the opponent, etc.) have been due to THREE things...1) twice: bad play-calls once in the red-zone (completely MY fault...not necessarily "the offense;" we would've been fine if I'd kept running what was working rather than trying a change-up) and 2) an unfortunate fumble (on which, our RB's mouthpiece was ripped off his facemask and his chinstrap torn loose) and 3) twice: miscommunication on who was to take the direct snap. Again, that's a risk of this offense (but one I've seen from experience basically doesn't happen with an experienced QB and is MORE than made up for in what you gain with LB's being "frozen" not knowing who's getting it for one second -- something you can't appreciate watching full-speed).

 

The rest of the offensive drives that haven't been successful have been in the "traditional" style of spread, which most teams in the state our doing. But on those drives, we've been trying to rest our top linemen that play both ways and are doing a GREAT job opening holes in "Heavy." Those other guys are getting better too. And by the end of the year, I think we'll have two VERY formidable attacks that teams will have to spend a lot of time on each week to stop.

 

Just as we're telling our kids, relax; don't get negative. It works and has worked against some of the best teams in the state at the 3A and 4A level. Don't make excuses about why something's not working, but CONSTRUCTIVELY criticize what's happening to cause the problems and work hard to correct them.

 

With the quality of the kids we have and the work-ethic of the coaches on our staff, I have a LOT of faith that the "problems" bogging us down now will get better. Playing HIGH quality football teams to test it may not make for happy fans NOW, but it is the BEST way to EXPOSE the weaknesses that are there to allow us to FIX problems we might not otherwise know exist...and maybe make for "happier" fans later. Hang in there.

Hang in there Coach J(I know you will)

Great post!

With the adversity handled by the Panthers and the competition faced by Pikeville, this team will be ok by seasons end, probably more than ok.

The fact remains: Many knowledgable people think there are some players just being wasted in this offense. Surely they're not all wrong. In fact, I haven't heard a positive comment from anyone this year and maybe last season as well about this offense.

The fact remains: Many knowledgable people think there are some players just being wasted in this offense. Surely they're not all wrong.

 

Many "knowledgable people" thought the wishbone "wasted players." Many more thought the I formation "wasted players." etc., etc. The fact that those worked despite opposition to them doesn't mean the offense really "wasted players," nor does it mean those opposing it weren't "knowledgable." They just didn't have the total picture as to what you get out of it, why it's run, etc.

 

As to players being "wasted," if a fan would like to see the ball thrown more because that's more exciting, that's understandable. But if their team doesn't have a "natural passing qb" but does have a stockpile of good running backs and strong offensive linemen, wouldn't forcing your team to work on throwing more be "wasting" those good backs and linemen? And wouldn't forcing those plays to be run in games be futile and a "waste" of time when you could be "honing" what your team's strengths tend toward?

 

As a coach, you 1) evaluate what you've got as strengths and try to run an attack that MAXIMIZES those; 2) you evaluate what would be weaknesses and try to LIMIT those. Finally, 3) you work on it to the point where it hopefully gets EXECUTED the way it's designed. We're pretty sure we're right on about 1 and 2...3 still needs quite a bit of work; but it's VERY early in what is a LONG season. And, these are YOUNG KIDS; we're going to be PATIENT with them (would hope the "fans" do the same, but can completely understand that they won't be).

 

In fact, I haven't heard a positive comment from anyone this year and maybe last season as well about this offense.

 

This year, we've played two pretty high-quality 3A and 4A defenses (EJ had only ONE TD scored on them in their scrimmages and 1st game) and still churned out good, long-drives -- but you're right, people SHOULDN'T be positive since it takes converting drives to POINTS to win games.

 

And, we only ran "this offense" ONE SERIES last year (vs. Somerset).

 

LSU -- Thanks...ditto back to you. I always had a lot of respect for the college coaches that have to have call-in shows and deal with criticism in a USUALLY professional way...win or lose. I know I probably shouldn't come on a public forum and discuss this stuf with "fans," but I really DO respect the fact that they care about this team and think they deserve some answers to their questions. Also, I know our kids read this negative stuff and that's maybe a coach's biggest battle to fight within a team. If ALL they read on here is just the NEGATIVE about the offense and they never see the POSITIVES in context along with the negative, they are likely to become negative themselves. (I think what many of the BOYLE CO. fans have posted in response to a bad loss was very interesting, by the way.)