Let me ask this. What if a kid turns 18 prior to his senior year and wants to transfer. The student is a legal adult and decides to go live with a family for his senior year. Is the student eligible to play sports his senior year? The parents did not move but the legal adult student did.

 

My understanding It's the change of adress for the student. Same thing if a kid under 18 goes to live with grandma and parents give guardianship to Gma. Student changed addresses for whatever reason. The exception is there for real life cases. A parent addicted to drugs may send kid to live with Gma. Kid should be eligible. The exceptions create loopholes. In each case, only the family knows all the considerations for the move.

 

My guess, at 18 the student could go rent aparment on their own anywhere they wanted. If that's where they are living, they would be eligible.

This is all very interesting but will someone please explain to me if/how it will impact Caleb Jefferson?

 

If there is now impact, well, whatever.

 

None of this or anything in by-law 6 applies to Jefferson. Since he is not in high school yet he is free to choose any school he wants to attend for high school.

 

To clarify for everyone, transfer rules only apply to high school students who have played a varsity sport.

Edited June 16, 201610 yr by Voice of Reason

This is all very interesting but will someone please explain to me if/how it will impact Caleb Jefferson?

 

If there is now impact, well, whatever.

 

Who in the wide wide world of sports is Caleb Jefferson?

Let me ask this. What if a kid turns 18 prior to his senior year and wants to transfer. The student is a legal adult and decides to go live with a family for his senior year. Is the student eligible to play sports his senior year? The parents did not move but the legal adult student did.

 

Age is irrelevant.

This is all very interesting but will someone please explain to me if/how it will impact Caleb Jefferson? If there is now impact' date=' well, whatever.[/quote']

 

No impact. He hasn't yet played varsity as a frosh.

These transfers happen all the time. Why does it always seem to come to a head when it involves Highlands?

 

Extensive research reveals that 99.4% of BGP members are HHS graduates.

 

Well, maybe that was a bit hyperbolic.

Extensive research reveals that 99.4% of BGP members are HHS graduates.

 

Well, maybe that was a bit hyperbolic.

 

Well as usual im in the smallest percentile of reports like this.

If she played a varsity sport and was in high school when she played that sport and just moved schools but not residency, she would have to sit out a year. Moving creates an exception to that rule.

 

I know the rule. I am asking how moving creates an exception in the minds of the KHSAA (allegedly) when schools allow tuition students from anywhere. I could see the rule making sense in Boone Co where if you live in the Ryle district you cannot go to Cooper. So you would have to move into the Cooper district. But if you live in X-town and you can go to either Highlands or Notre Dame by paying tuition then why should you have to move to be eligible?

 

So let's say a girl lives in Fort Thomas and attends Notre Dame (as many have). If she wants to leave Notre Dame and attend Highlands would she be "More Eligible" in the eyes of the KHSAA by moving from Fort Thomas to a house next to Notre Dame and paying tuition? How does that make any sense?

I know the rule. I am asking how moving creates an exception in the minds of the KHSAA (allegedly) when schools allow tuition students from anywhere. I could see the rule making sense in Boone Co where if you live in the Ryle district you cannot go to Cooper. So you would have to move into the Cooper district. But if you live in X-town and you can go to either Highlands or Notre Dame by paying tuition then why should you have to move to be eligible?

 

So let's say a girl lives in Fort Thomas and attends Notre Dame (as many have). If she wants to leave Notre Dame and attend Highlands would she be "More Eligible" in the eyes of the KHSAA by moving from Fort Thomas to a house next to Notre Dame and paying tuition? How does that make any sense?

 

Basically you are ineligible, unless you can prove an exception. There are other exceptions for getting eligible. Moving is just one. For example in your scenario, what's the reason they left Nd to come back to Highlands? They would most likely claim they couldn't afford the tuition any longer and they would be awarded eligibility. They wouldn't have to move to get eligible. Moving is not the only way, it's just one of the ways.

Not sure if it applies the same way as it did when she was at Notre Dame. Some have suggested that the Catholic Private Schools don't have to play by the same rules as with others. Can someone clarify the difference for us.....??? Or is there any?

 

No Catholic Private Schools are held to a higher standard in general, which is why a kid can't transfer from Public to Private without sitting out a year. but they surely can transfer from Private to Public, play immediately without question 1 asked!

At least in Jefferson County, Kentucky that is the deal!

Some of you guys have me all wrong. Not a hater of Highlands by any means, I consider it a great school with committed teachers and coaches and outstanding facilities. I particularly admire the job the baseball and softball coaches have done the last few years, revitalizing those programs into winners.

 

I do also agree that Highlands is under more scrutiny than other schools and I think they probably make more of an effort to be compliant than other schools, because they are aware of the heightened scrutiny. Which is precisely why I would raise the question about "Highlands" broadly interpreting the transfer rule. Here we have a school that strives to be compliant interpreting a rule this way, exploiting what I would hope we could all agree is a loophole. After reading the arguments, I would consider the Martin transfer compliant with the rule as it is expressed, if it was up to me, although I also note that the KHSAA ultimately has the authority to deny the transfer.

 

Yes, I could have posed the question as a hypothetical, but I believe it becomes more relevant and easier to discuss when you have an actual example of the rule being interpreted, and the relevance is even heightened when a school under scrutiny, like Highlands who always "dots every i and crosses every t", is doing the interpreting. So I believe interjecting Highlands adds to the discussion, but not in an accusatory or persecution way.

 

As far as starting a thread about Holy Cross and the recruiting issue, and whether or not HC's conduct violates the "spirit" of the rule, I don't know what the alleged conduct is. I have said many times that the conduct that I am personally aware of does and did not, I believe, violate the bylaws in any way. But I am speculating about what the allegations are and who made them. You want me to start a thread about what I speculate? Really?

 

Finally, with respect to the comparison of my and RCC9's approach to what high school sports is about, I don't think they are that different. I want my kids, and all kids for that matter, to enjoy their high school experience to the fullest, including sports. But kids are different, some strive for a championship ring, some work harder than others, some can even decide they want to go to a school with their AAU friends and play together (I am curious about why there is no mention of the boys side, where it has long been known and accepted that that occurs). A great example of a high school sports success story is the Highlands softball program, where you have a passionate coach that has a group of motivated girls work harder than everyone else and they win. The fact that all those girls didn't grow up together, and some came into the program later doesn't diminish what they accomplished. They wanted a competitive high school softball experience so they chose to play for a coach and a program that they thought could provide it. I wonder, for example, if the coach at Highlands had been an ambivalent fellow about winning, and not particularly demanding about practice and off season workouts (as some high school softball coaches can be), if a talented and highly competitive player like, say for example, shortstop Haley Coffey, would have chosen to play at Highlands or gone somewhere else.

 

I believe kids and their families have the right to choose what they want their high school experience to be, including sports, whether it's Caleb Jefferson, Haley Coffey or anyone named Macke. Personally, I have several kids and they are all differently motivated, but for every one of them my wife and I feel we are making the best choices for them, all things considered, and it is a very difficult calculus. I don't think our choices are an appropriate subject for debate, so I won't participate in that.

 

I have followed high school sports in northern Kentucky for 50 years and have cheered for kids and teams from every school in northern Kentucky, and with very few exceptions I have accepted that schools and coaches are doing their best for the kids in their programs. I don't go looking for infractions and rule violations or evidence of cheating, and never have I said or implied that I was challenging the Jenna Martin transfer. My postulate was academic, given the extensive discussions on BGP about transfer rules. I would have hoped it would have been accepted as such.

Some of you guys have me all wrong. Not a hater of Highlands by any means, I consider it a great school with committed teachers and coaches and outstanding facilities. I particularly admire the job the baseball and softball coaches have done the last few years, revitalizing those programs into winners.

 

I do also agree that Highlands is under more scrutiny than other schools and I think they probably make more of an effort to be compliant than other schools, because they are aware of the heightened scrutiny. Which is precisely why I would raise the question about "Highlands" broadly interpreting the transfer rule. Here we have a school that strives to be compliant interpreting a rule this way, exploiting what I would hope we could all agree is a loophole. After reading the arguments, I would consider the Martin transfer compliant with the rule as it is expressed, if it was up to me, although I also note that the KHSAA ultimately has the authority to deny the transfer.

 

Yes, I could have posed the question as a hypothetical, but I believe it becomes more relevant and easier to discuss when you have an actual example of the rule being interpreted, and the relevance is even heightened when a school under scrutiny, like Highlands who always "dots every i and crosses every t", is doing the interpreting. So I believe interjecting Highlands adds to the discussion, but not in an accusatory or persecution way.

 

As far as starting a thread about Holy Cross and the recruiting issue, and whether or not HC's conduct violates the "spirit" of the rule, I don't know what the alleged conduct is. I have said many times that the conduct that I am personally aware of does and did not, I believe, violate the bylaws in any way. But I am speculating about what the allegations are and who made them. You want me to start a thread about what I speculate? Really?

 

Finally, with respect to the comparison of my and RCC9's approach to what high school sports is about, I don't think they are that different. I want my kids, and all kids for that matter, to enjoy their high school experience to the fullest, including sports. But kids are different, some strive for a championship ring, some work harder than others, some can even decide they want to go to a school with their AAU friends and play together (I am curious about why there is no mention of the boys side, where it has long been known and accepted that that occurs). A great example of a high school sports success story is the Highlands softball program, where you have a passionate coach that has a group of motivated girls work harder than everyone else and they win. The fact that all those girls didn't grow up together, and some came into the program later doesn't diminish what they accomplished. They wanted a competitive high school softball experience so they chose to play for a coach and a program that they thought could provide it. I wonder, for example, if the coach at Highlands had been an ambivalent fellow about winning, and not particularly demanding about practice and off season workouts (as some high school softball coaches can be), if a talented and highly competitive player like, say for example, shortstop Haley Coffey, would have chosen to play at Highlands or gone somewhere else.

 

I believe kids and their families have the right to choose what they want their high school experience to be, including sports, whether it's Caleb Jefferson, Haley Coffey or anyone named Macke. Personally, I have several kids and they are all differently motivated, but for every one of them my wife and I feel we are making the best choices for them, all things considered, and it is a very difficult calculus. I don't think our choices are an appropriate subject for debate, so I won't participate in that.

 

I have followed high school sports in northern Kentucky for 50 years and have cheered for kids and teams from every school in northern Kentucky, and with very few exceptions I have accepted that schools and coaches are doing their best for the kids in their programs. I don't go looking for infractions and rule violations or evidence of cheating, and never have I said or implied that I was challenging the Jenna Martin transfer. My postulate was academic, given the extensive discussions on BGP about transfer rules. I would have hoped it would have been accepted as such.

 

Since you brought it up, I want to ask the Question. Why did the Macke girl transfer? I might of missed the answer back when it was talked about over 20 pages in another thread. You are obviously very close to the Situation.......Can you answer that?

Edited June 17, 201610 yr by THUNDERBIRDS

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Not following the HHS example. Other than two kids out of 44 in the program, they all spent multiple years in ft Thomas schools. And those two came as freshman. Not one player showed up at HHS for softball. When those two can (one from Wisconsin and one from Dixie), HHS was 10-19, had just hired a coach that had never coached a fastpitch game in his life and HHS was everyone's senior night! No one came to HHS for softball!

 

But you are right. They all worked their tails off to make the program relevant. It wasn't done with transfers and kids coming that played together on a select team. Just a bunch of home grown kids that wanted it.

 

As for Haley Coffey, she wouldn't have been at any other school in NKy. Regardless of a sport. Heck, she didn't even play softball til the 6th grade when her buddy begged her because they needed numbers in the program and they knew she was an athlete. Same with her sister and the same with her brother that will be entering the middle school and will most likely never play a high school sport.