January 4, 201610 yr Author Wimps. It was the ranchers who surrendered. My post sent before I was finished. (Also, for some reason I am having trouble with the edit function on BGP, anyone else having this issue?)
January 4, 201610 yr It was the ranchers who surrendered. My post sent before I was finished. (Also, for some reason I am having trouble with the edit function on BGP, anyone else having this issue?) Not sure. You should be able to edit freely within 5 or 10 minutes of the initial post. After that, I don't think so.
January 5, 201610 yr Known several poachers in my day and about the only thing I can think they started a fire of this size was to burn carcass they had already killed. The Bundy's are trying to bring the blm argument into this issue. I'm guessing because the guys starting the fire were ranchers and the fire was on blm land, the Bundy's see a door to beat the blm drum again.
January 5, 201610 yr So is the Al Bundy gang is still in control of a bird lodge?Yep all 187,000 acres of it, You think the Feds will go in and take their assault weapons?
January 5, 201610 yr For those who want 'both sides': Meet The Child-Abusing Arsonists That Inspired The Oregon Militia Standoff | ThinkProgress The article above paints those returning to jail as fire starters and child abusers. Thats it mostly. Full Story About What?s Going on In Oregon ? ?Militia? Take Over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge In Protest to Hammond Family Persecution? | The Last Refuge This article provides much, much more insight. This is another long running issue with BLM (same organization that was involved with Bundys in Nevada). "...The refuge covers over 187,000 acres, stretches over 45 miles long and 37 miles wide. The expansion of the refuge grew and surrounds to the Hammond’s ranch. Approached many times by the FWS, the Hammonds refused to sell. Other ranchers also choose not to sell. ... During the 1970’s the Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), in conjunction with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), took a different approach to get the ranchers to sell. Ranchers were told: “grazing was detrimental to wildlife and must be reduced”; 32 out of 53 permits were revoked and many ranchers were forced to leave. Grazing fees were raised significantly for those who were allowed to remain. Refuge personnel took over the irrigation system claiming it as their own. .... The FWS wanted to acquire the ranch lands on the Silvies Plain to add to their already vast holdings. Refuge personnel intentionally diverted the water bypassing the vast meadow lands, directing the water into the rising Malheur Lakes. Within a few short years the surface area of the lakes doubled. Thirty-one ranches on the Silvies plains were flooded. .... By the 1990’s the Hammonds were one of the very few ranchers who still owned private property adjacent to the refuge. .... The US Fish and Wildlife Service challenged the Hammonds right to the water in an Oregon State Circuit Court. The court found the Hammonds legally obtained rights to the water in accordance to State law and therefore the use of the water belongs to the Hammonds. ... In August 1994 the BLM & FWS illegally began building a fence around the Hammonds water source. Owning the water rights, and knowing that their cattle relied on that water source daily, the Hammonds tried to stop the building of the fence. The BLM & FWS called the Harney County Sheriff department and had Dwight Hammond (Father) arrested and charged with “disturbing and interfering with” federal officials or federal contractors (two counts, each a felony). .... " More at the link
January 5, 201610 yr I imagine I would have a problem with the government trying to take away my land and livelyhood too. And for what reason? Why does the federal government want all of the land they have been purchasing and essentially forcing people to leave? What is so important about that land that they want to buy it all and will fine you if your cows graze on it? Sorry, but I just don't get it. We did this once before when we took land away from native Americans. Sounds like a modern day scenario of the same thing to me.
January 5, 201610 yr Check out the land holdings of the federal government! 600 million acres, and counting! Why?
January 5, 201610 yr Check out the land holdings of the federal government! 600 million acres, and counting! Why? Gotta have a place to store all them guns they're gonna confiscate.
January 5, 201610 yr Gotta have a place to store all them guns they're gonna confiscate. Then they are buying way too much land. A residential two car garage should suffice. Whatever Obama's plan is, he isn't confiscating a damn thing.
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