This is a discussion board. Some of you need to understand that this is NEVER personal.

 

If you are going to post stuff like this ranking of top programs you should be able to take the criticism that comes with it.

 

I think it's cool but District Titles should have very low value considering how stacked some are compared to others and how State Titles are the goal.

I guess my biggest gripes comes from the fact that PT and Corbin are both ahead of Boyle because when you combine PT and Corbin they still don't have as many State Championships as Boyle does, but they are ahead because of district titles. I get what you are saying about the amount of value they used to hold, but I think it skews the numbers quite significantly. My other concern is how in the world Male is not in the top 10, and again I think that is because of the weight of the district titles, and the fact they used to play in "super district" which is why I don't like how much weight a district title holds. A 5-6 team can win a district title but that doesn't hold a lot of weight to me, looks like the NFC east vs a Wildcard team like the Vikings, just doesn't make sense to me.

 

 

Some of what you said is true, but it also has programs ranked quite high who have not been relevant in a long time as well, because of how many districts they won many, many years ago. The formula works both ways, and I love the work and effort he is putting into it, I am just adding to discussion about how we should maybe weight things differently, because I agree that both Male and Boyle should be at a different place, but the district wins skew things heavily in favor of teams who are not near as dominating as Boyle or Male.

 

Make your own, it would be great to see how yours would change the results and add yet another dimension

Once again... we are talking about 56 years of football here.

 

Boyle has been a Top 5 or 6 program over the past 15 years... but pre-Chuck Smith the Rebels probably aren't even a Top 50 program.

 

Tilghman and Corbin don't have the Titles of Boyle..but both have been solid, winning programs with deep playoff success for 40+ years

 

 

If you were asked to name the top 5 programs in the state would Corbin or PT be in your thought process?

 

Would Boyle or Male?

 

I rest my case.

I understand completely what you are saying, so I am bringing up a different argument, do titles matter more than district championships? This system seems to value good seasons over Great seasons, as long as you had a long run of good seasons.

 

It's kind of like the argument for Notre Dame football, yes they won a lot of championships 30+ years ago, but what about the now, would teams like Oregon not be considered top 10 programs because they came a long recently and have dominated, instead of having average success over a large margin of years?

 

In the off-season last year I did a thread basically asking who was the new money and old money of high school football. Boyle is the prime example of new money... Tilghman is a prime example of old money.

 

For the intent of what gchs is doing I completely agree with his criteria. Up until the late 80's a District Title had a completely different meaning than it does now.

 

A District Title is a very weak factor in the 6 Class System, and a "meh" factor in the 4 Class System from the 90's on when the KHSAA increased the playoff field.

 

Back in the 80's and before though a District Title often was equivalent to a Regional Title. You had massive Districts that only allowed two teams to enter the playoffs.

 

The only way I would tweak his numbers (and TBH I wouldnt wish this on gchs as it would take FORVER) but I would value District Championships different depending on whether it was 6 Class, 4 CLass Expanded, or 3/4 Class Original. I would argue a District Championship in 2015 is literally 1/5 the value of a District Championship in 1978

Make your own, it would be great to see how yours would change the results and add yet another dimension

I wish I had the time, but bringing up talking points doesn't really mean I need to make my own thread. Some people need some thicker skin.

I guess my biggest gripes comes from the fact that PT and Corbin are both ahead of Boyle because when you combine PT and Corbin they still don't have as many State Championships as Boyle does, but they are ahead because of district titles. I get what you are saying about the amount of value they used to hold, but I think it skews the numbers quite significantly. My other concern is how in the world Male is not in the top 10, and again I think that is because of the weight of the district titles, and the fact they used to play in "super district" which is why I don't like how much weight a district title holds. A 5-6 team can win a district title but that doesn't hold a lot of weight to me, looks like the NFC east vs a Wildcard team like the Vikings, just doesn't make sense to me.

 

 

Some of what you said is true, but it also has programs ranked quite high who have not been relevant in a long time as well, because of how many districts they won many, many years ago. The formula works both ways, and I love the work and effort he is putting into it, I am just adding to discussion about how we should maybe weight things differently, because I agree that both Male and Boyle should be at a different place, but the district wins skew things heavily in favor of teams who are not near as dominating as Boyle or Male.

 

This is not an exact science, take CovCath.....great program for long time (6 State titles) not many district titles....mainly because of Highlands. That doesn't mean they are not a great program and perhaps could be ranked higher. It's all kinda relative......I appreciate the effort and discussion that it provides, nice work gcha !

If you were asked to name the top 5 programs in the state would Corbin or PT be in your thought process?

 

Would Boyle or Male?

 

I rest my case.

 

Right now or all-time?

 

Right now... absolutely not

 

Over the past 50 years? I would put them ahead of Boyle

I wish I had the time, but bringing up talking points doesn't really mean I need to make my own thread. Some people need some thicker skin.

 

I assume from the thicker skin part that you took my comment in a negative way. If so I apologize, that was not what I was going for

If you were asked to name the top 5 programs in the state would Corbin or PT be in your thought process?

 

Would Boyle or Male?

 

I rest my case.

My answer to that question would depend on the time frame. Are we naming the top 5 programs right now? All time? Over the last 10 years?

Right now or all-time?

 

Right now... absolutely not

 

Over the past 50 years? I would put them ahead of Boyle

 

Of course you would...but the amount of state titles would make people question your sanity.

 

Lol

Of course you would...but the amount of state titles would make people question your sanity.

 

Lol

 

Just Boyle and Male fans... HAHA

Notre Dame because of their amount of national titles.

 

What about UCONN Basketball?

 

Would they be in the top 7/8 greatest college basketball programs? Their first title was 1999 (same as Boyle) and they've won 4 since...Boyle 7.

Male maybe I can see... but Boyle wasn't exactly a football powerhouse until Smith came along in the late 90's

 

I would say those decades of pretty average football play a large role in them being at #14.

 

I would also say there are some pretty outstanding programs that will be filling these final spots.

 

Many of which have had dominating runs in their history and have been at the minimum "good" for 25+ years

 

Male was horrible in the 70s and 80s, they even tried to no avail to play a JV only schedule for a year because they couldn't compete at the varsity level. They're right where they should be.

Notes Dame because of their amount of national titles.

 

What about UCONN Basketball?

 

Would they be in the top 7/8 greatest college basketball programs? Their first title was 1999 (same as Boyle) and they've won 4 since...Boyle 7.

 

UConn or Michigan State

 

Give me Michigan State

UConn or Michigan State

 

Give me Michigan State

 

Well...atleast you are consistently wrong.