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The buck sweep is primarily a boundary run that is very successful in today's game, so I would have to strongly disagree with you. I don't advocate running the ball on 3rd and 7 often but if I am the buck sweep is one of my go to plays and that is a boundary call.

It is easier to win games with D1 players, there is no correlation on rather or not a D1 player is easy to coach or not.

Could be better for both the coach and the school. Hard for a home grown product to do well, and be what is expected of him in his own community.

150 plays with 10 special teams plays or even 20 is still putting both teams at 60-70 offensive plays which is simply outrageous and not reachable. The rule difference in college has nothing to do with it, you are still talking about 5 full minutes per quarter which is 20 minuets a game longer which far exceeds the amount of times someone goes out of bounds.

Are you tracking these plays? I have a hard time believing that JV teams are going faster than Clemson, Auburn and almost at the same warp speed as Oregon but doing it at 10 minute quarters... seems simply mind boggling considering Oregon is only averaging 78.4 plays, Clemson at 80, and Auburn at 70 of offense a game in 15 minute quarters. I just don't see how jv teams are going 150 plays in 8-10 minute quarters, when we have the most brilliant up tempo minds averaging less plays per minute than JV teams

Would be a terrible idea, look at the possessions teams get in JV games. If you get behind you may as well head to the bus because you are not coming back in a game, I wish the quarters were longer if anything.

If you are not from the mountains, that is not a job a coach from anywhere else in the state would consider.

What is the All A Classic, I am not familiar with this?

Noel Devine is one of the most electric high school players in the history of the sport and his team never even had a winning record and he could pick any D1 school in the country to play at. Plenty of schools put out D1 and NFL players and never win games. Anyone who has ever coached or truly been around the game besides just a fan knows that recruiting is far less about stats and much more about measurables and tangibles. How many kids move on to D1 or the NFL should have no bearing on how good a program is at all, in fact it should be the other way around, how many titles can you win without elite D1 talent or NFL talent.

We are still only talking about Boyle for some reason, when I mentioned Male as well, but if we are going to stay on Boyle that is fine. Corbin with wins and loses in the state championships still only matches the amount of titles that Boyle has has, to me it's a no brainer which team should be ranked higher, because district title pale in comparison to winning the entire state championship. After that point getting to the big game, and winning the big game are also different. One team has done that 7 out of 8 try's while Corbin has done it 3 out of 7 times. I respect the heck out of Corbin I just don't respect the heck out of district titles, what I respect is winning the championship and I will go back to the NFC East. I have no respect for any of the teams that win that division. Some teams can win district championship after championship playing little competition. Now this is a good argument and if SW were to win 7 more titles giving them 8 championships, I would consider them the better program even in the watered down 6 class system.

I think 1 state title is worth more than 3-5 district titles easily yes, even though 1 state title could be a little flukey. You start compounding multiple state titles like 5-7 even if it is in a short period and I would take that over 30 district titles any day, but that's just my opinion.

Coach Smith came in 1992 not 1997

I think that's a broad brush you are painting with, because to me I simply value state titles significantly higher than anything else. I think extremely high of the Corbin program, I just think Male is easily one of the top 10 programs in the state history off titles alone even if they were bad in the 80's same with Boyle, or Highlands, or BG, Danville, Belfry, Trinity, X. While I am sure I am leaving someone out, those are the teams I think of when I think of a top 10, and to not have Male in there is crazy and I would say the same for Boyle as well.

I wish I had the time, but bringing up talking points doesn't really mean I need to make my own thread. Some people need some thicker skin.

I understand completely what you are saying, so I am bringing up a different argument, do titles matter more than district championships? This system seems to value good seasons over Great seasons, as long as you had a long run of good seasons. It's kind of like the argument for Notre Dame football, yes they won a lot of championships 30+ years ago, but what about the now, would teams like Oregon not be considered top 10 programs because they came a long recently and have dominated, instead of having average success over a large margin of years?

I guess my biggest gripes comes from the fact that PT and Corbin are both ahead of Boyle because when you combine PT and Corbin they still don't have as many State Championships as Boyle does, but they are ahead because of district titles. I get what you are saying about the amount of value they used to hold, but I think it skews the numbers quite significantly. My other concern is how in the world Male is not in the top 10, and again I think that is because of the weight of the district titles, and the fact they used to play in "super district" which is why I don't like how much weight a district title holds. A 5-6 team can win a district title but that doesn't hold a lot of weight to me, looks like the NFC east vs a Wildcard team like the Vikings, just doesn't make sense to me. Some of what you said is true, but it also has programs ranked quite high who have not been relevant in a long time as well, because of how many districts they won many, many years ago. The formula works both ways, and I love the work and effort he is putting into it, I am just adding to discussion about how we should maybe weight things differently, because I agree that both Male and Boyle should be at a different place, but the district wins skew things heavily in favor of teams who are not near as dominating as Boyle or Male.

I love what you are doing but don't agree with the formula. I believe State Championships should out favor everything else by a large margin, followed by appearances. District titles are awesome, but to me 25 district titles is nothing compared to even 2-3 state titles with 2-3 more appearances. I don't think teams playing for state championships are even worried about the district they look right past that.

I am taking North Carolina they have a great offense, and Gene Chizik is a great DC, easily one of the best in football at any level. I am a UNC fan though, so I am a little bias.

The biggest money maker. I heard on ESPN radio the other day, that the only D1 program that has football and doesn't make the most money off of football is Duke basketball. UK football makes significantly more money off football than basketball.

My biggest fear of Barker is that he isn't making good reads in short throws, and he can't push the ball down field at all. He consistently under throws his guys which is unacceptable at this level. You can't win 1 on 1 match up's when you can't compete for the ball because its under thrown. I don't really think UK has the guys to win 1 on 1 match up's but you catch my drift.

They have a true freshman QB who led them to 34 unanswered points against the cats.

I would say an offensive line, that is the root of the problem. Next he needs a QB with Towles gone UK does not have a QB. After that you have to look at the D line that gets no pressure (in a 3-4 it's really your backers I get that) and a secondary that isn't slow and can cover. Basically he needs an over haul, and its not a system thing, these guys won't wake up as juniors and start competing.

I don't disagree at all, like I said this thread is insane it has 2 parties. NKY people who think he can win the Heisman and start for the most elite programs in the country, and could walk in and start for Oregon, Bama, LSU, and Michigan. Then you have the other camp which look like the typical UK'ers who blame everyone just like Neal Brown was blamed (look what you got in Dawson) blames Towles (Barker looks great 6-22 passing) never started before that for a reason. I think Towles has all the measurables, a big arm, athleticism, height to see over the line, experience in the toughest conference in the country, and he is someone who has faced adversity which coaches like. What I don't know because I haven't been to any UK practices under Dawson but did go to several last season is this, what are the QB's being coached? What I see in Towles is one of two things, he either can't keep his cool and makes bad reads, or he is not being taught properly. That is why I gave the 3x1 vs 1 and 2 high safety analogy because that's almost a cut and dry read. When you get 2x2 sets the reads become murkier regardless of the number of safeties vs number of bodies in the box. If he was only throwing bad passes in the 2x2 or pro style sets (which they sparingly use) I would say ok here is a kid who just hasn't been coached up properly on how to read balanced offensive sets but when I see a kid misread obvious 3x1 sets I have to wonder whats going on. With that said I think this is a kid who deserves a shot at another D1 school, I think North Carolina, ECU, Tulsa, Indiana, WKU, Bowling Green State would be some great options for him where offenses fit his style. This would give us an accurate read on rather or not it truly was the coaching (which I think most of it was) vs the player himself. If it was the player himself then next season we will know. I believe had coach Brown still been in Lexington this would have been a bowl eligible UK teams and Towles would have been playing at an all SEC level, that is how poorly I think of Dawson.

The fact that Towles TD-INT ratio is flipped can be pinpointed 100% to how bad Dawson is in comparison to Neal Brown. No QB regresses that much, on top of that the scheme is horrendous, and the line is horrendous which makes for bad and forced throws. Then again we can talk about the drops over and over again, which then force more tight throws which lead to interceptions. Yes I saw things that Towles did that a QB at his level should not be throwing like throwing to the single receiver in a 3x1 set when the defense is sitting in a 2 high look, or doing the exact opposite when the defense rolls the safety down into the box pre snap. Thing is, these are things that should be ironed out by a coach and if he doesn't know where to throw the ball that is on the coaches, or his wide outs not creating separation.

So why was he benched in favor of Barker? I watched every UK game this year, I was at every home game. Majority of towels "bad games" are dropped passes im talking his really bad games. Yes he does throw high and behind but thats mostly due to not stepping into his throw enough which tends to make you throw high.