So they make nice Christmas gifts? I'm not worried about my son....he is a salesman already....can sell an eskimo ice water... the problem is I only seem to use the 915 cafe discount....hmmmmm

Problem is you can't use them on the refreshment of your choice.:dancingpa

Exactly.

 

Family, I believe the entire team (varsity as well as fresh) have the Revolution. Some of the kids don't like it so they have other types. I believe the Revolution is considered the best for helping prevent concusions. (doesn't mean they still won't get one though). I don't think they cost $300 - $350. I thought the helmets ran around $150.

 

I think new shoulder pads will run around $350. Cheep at half the price if it will help deminish injury or possible surgery.

 

As far as I'm concerend, I would rather spend the money on equipment to protect than fluff and puff stuff ( uniforms)

 

 

Just to help the discussion a little bit:

New Revolutions: 2 years ago they were 289.50. They could be more or less now.

Power Shoulder pads: (remember--these are designed specifically for each position/position group). Start at 200.00 can go up to 380.00

Bicep extensions: 79.99

Power Pack Neck Roll (with extensions) 99.99

Integrated Power Rib Protectors: 99.99 to 120.99

Kick Plate: 49.99

 

Again--that was a few years ago.

 

Power makes the best shoulder pads IMO. Douglas is also very good (if not as good) and the custom pads that they make cost every bit as much as power.

I think it's great that coaches are putting money in the best equipment. Down in southern KY we haven't seen too much of that. HAHA. Anyway I am all for it if it keeps kids from suffering from injuries that could be reduced with better equipment.

You know, not only will the purchasing of great equipment increase the safety of the players, I bet it gives them a big boost too when they strap on those pads and helmets. I know I would feel pretty eager to put that new equipment to good use during practice. Maybe that is Dale's secret... :eek: :sssh:

The Revo's go for just under $160, including facemask, custom paint, and hard cup chinstrap if you order at least 20 at a time. 30 or more also gets you a hardware kit for free.

 

The standard Riddell power pads are $200-$250.

 

Douglas vary by style and series, their Destroyer series you can get for about $90 each (Grey plastic, black padding), the GP series for about $160 (black plastic, purple padding), The Standard series from $220-$280 (black plastic, blue padding, and the Custom series starts at about $300 -can go up to $600 with accessories and alterations (white plastic, team color padding).

 

I also like the Schutt shoulderpads, you can get flat pads and built in clavicle channels in a $90 pad and ours have been very durable, to get that in Douglas it costs at least $160, Riddell at least $140, Gear 2000 at least $120.

 

The Gear 2000 Z-Cool pads are gaining popularity, the Louisville Fire are switching to these almost all of their linemen and about half the skill players are wearing these now, and about 10 guys on the Louisville Bulls semi-pro team are now wearing them. They are lightweight, cooler in the heat, and the guys really like the low-profile tight fit and the cap pads that move with your arm are a nice addition. http://www.gear2000.com/zcool.html

I think at Franklin County, we have alot of one of my favorite brands: OLD. We also have alot of BROKEN, brand also.

 

I know that all helmets are sent in every year for reconditioning. If the company deems them unsafe they do not send them back to the school. While they may be old, they have been inspected and deemed safe.

It cost from $1000 to $1500 to set a kid up with practice gear, and game gear. Thats with home and away unis.....(Also depends on any special pads you need....) If you start buying some of the special need saftey gear you can get into big money quick...Its easy to spend $500 bucks these days...

I know that all helmets are sent in every year for reconditioning. If the company deems them unsafe they do not send them back to the school. While they may be old, they have been inspected and deemed safe.

 

I concur I was trying to be funny.

I concur I was trying to be funny.

 

I hoped that was the case. I just didn't want people thinking that their school was putting unsafe equipment on their kids.

Don't forget the shoes, socks, leg/hip pads, etc. Football is about as expensive as golf to play.

I have a son that is going to be a freshmen at Highlands this year. Last week the kids got sized for helmets and shoulder pads. I was just wandering what type of helmets and pads other teams get? He told me that the helmets were going to be Revolutions (sp) which he said cost $300-350 apiece. I just thought that was a lot of money for freshmen players to be getting this type of equipment. He also said that the varsity player were getting NFL style shoulder pads. Just curious to see what type other teams are wearing?

Dayton wears nothing but Douglas custom Pro and Riddell Power shoulder pads and Revolution and DNA helmets. Cost is irrelevant when we are protecting our kids. They deserve the best equipment possible.

Don't forget tail pads, at Manual we lose about 30 of these a year. I'm considering switching to the girdles with all 5 pads built in, then the pads can't just fall out. Plus that way they're more streamlined but still protective and not as bulky.

 

What someone said about cost is somewhat irrelevant, any varsity level helmet is safe, all are used in the NFL, including Schutt Pro Air 2's (the old blue bladder), Schutt Air Advantage, Schutt Varsity Commander, Schutt DNA, Riddell WD-2 (Brett Favre still wears this non-inflatable model), Riddell VSR-4, Riddell Revolutions, and the Bike/Adams Pro Edition (not the old Bike which became Schutt, but the ones from 2000-01 with groove in back going earhole to earhole and small grey bladder. Bike went bankrupt in helmet div and Adams bought the helmet) All of these are pro-level helmets and completely safe and NOCSAE certifed when new or like new.

 

At Manual we are going more towards the Riddell Revolutions with 70-80 of them, it's the only helmet I've ordered in 3 years. This isn't simply becuase it's better, but for many reasons:

First there's the rumor that a new regulation which will require different helmet padding thicknesses and eliminate many current styles including Schutt Pro-Air 2's and Riddell VSR-4's. This is just a rumor but there must be some basis since it is circulated frequently, even by helmet company reps.

 

Second - JCPS schools have to order from a bid list and more importantly get reconditioning from the company with the bid - which is now Riddell All American. Without being libelous let's just say that a higher % of non-Riddell helmets are rejected as opposed to Riddell ones. also if your Riddell helmet is under warranty they replace any bladders, shells, etc.. for free and during the reconditioning process, if a non-Riddell helmet is rejected even if under warranty you get back a shell missing the bladder and most pads with a big crack and writing all over it (I paint them and use them to give to sponsors, alumni, to media for photographic purposes {often unreturned}, etc..)

 

Third - I am happy with the Revo helmet, and have just kept with those rather than mix in some DNA's for the above 2nd reason and well as I already have stocked extra crown pads and z-pads (jaw pads) for Revo's as well as some extra Revo facemasks and would have to spend several hundred dollars getting similar parts for DNA's. I skip that expense and just get REVO's and get a couple of extra helmets instead.

One big factor in favor of the Revo's is that Riddell has eliminated the expense of carrying lots of different sized parts. I have out of 70 odd kids wearing Revo's 2-3 with an extra large crown bladder, 2-3 with the 1 1/4 z-pads, 3-4 with the 3/4 z-pads, the rest wear the standard helmet with normal crown bladder and standard 1" z-pads. Luckily we order in enough quantities that we always get the free inflatable z-pads, and free facemasks.

Also the Revolution is the only Pro-Level helmet available in size Small.

 

I don't insist on the $300 shoulderpads, we instead stock many different quality shoulerpads in a wide variety of styles and sizes. I still prefer to put undersized freshmen in the old reliable Riddell Warrior pads, these are a economic pair of shoulderpads with a thick built in clavicle channels and redundant shoulder padding. It's a little thicker and bulkier but provides max protection for inexperienced players. When these kids develop and mature we put them in more streamlined, lighter, postion specific pads - in theory the now experienced player has the necessary fundamentals and savvy and can wear the nfl-style shoulderpads.

Don't forget tail pads, at Manual we lose about 30 of these a year. I'm considering switching to the girdles with all 5 pads built in, then the pads can't just fall out. Plus that way they're more streamlined but still protective and not as bulky.

 

What someone said about cost is somewhat irrelevant, any varsity level helmet is safe, all are used in the NFL, including Schutt Pro Air 2's (the old blue bladder), Schutt Air Advantage, Schutt Varsity Commander, Schutt DNA, Riddell WD-2 (Brett Favre still wears this non-inflatable model), Riddell VSR-4, Riddell Revolutions, and the Bike/Adams Pro Edition (not the old Bike which became Schutt, but the ones from 2000-01 with groove in back going earhole to earhole and small grey bladder. Bike went bankrupt in helmet div and Adams bought the helmet) All of these are pro-level helmets and completely safe and NOCSAE certifed when new or like new.

 

At Manual we are going more towards the Riddell Revolutions with 70-80 of them, it's the only helmet I've ordered in 3 years. This isn't simply becuase it's better, but for many reasons:

First there's the rumor that a new regulation which will require different helmet padding thicknesses and eliminate many current styles including Schutt Pro-Air 2's and Riddell VSR-4's. This is just a rumor but there must be some basis since it is circulated frequently, even by helmet company reps.

 

Second - JCPS schools have to order from a bid list and more importantly get reconditioning from the company with the bid - which is now Riddell All American. Without being libelous let's just say that a higher % of non-Riddell helmets are rejected as opposed to Riddell ones. also if your Riddell helmet is under warranty they replace any bladders, shells, etc.. for free and during the reconditioning process, if a non-Riddell helmet is rejected even if under warranty you get back a shell missing the bladder and most pads with a big crack and writing all over it (I paint them and use them to give to sponsors, alumni, to media for photographic purposes {often unreturned}, etc..)

 

Third - I am happy with the Revo helmet, and have just kept with those rather than mix in some DNA's for the above 2nd reason and well as I already have stocked extra crown pads and z-pads (jaw pads) for Revo's as well as some extra Revo facemasks and would have to spend several hundred dollars getting similar parts for DNA's. I skip that expense and just get REVO's and get a couple of extra helmets instead.

One big factor in favor of the Revo's is that Riddell has eliminated the expense of carrying lots of different sized parts. I have out of 70 odd kids wearing Revo's 2-3 with an extra large crown bladder, 2-3 with the 1 1/4 z-pads, 3-4 with the 3/4 z-pads, the rest wear the standard helmet with normal crown bladder and standard 1" z-pads. Luckily we order in enough quantities that we always get the free inflatable z-pads, and free facemasks.

Also the Revolution is the only Pro-Level helmet available in size Small.

 

I don't insist on the $300 shoulderpads, we instead stock many different quality shoulerpads in a wide variety of styles and sizes. I still prefer to put undersized freshmen in the old reliable Riddell Warrior pads, these are a economic pair of shoulderpads with a thick built in clavicle channels and redundant shoulder padding. It's a little thicker and bulkier but provides max protection for inexperienced players. When these kids develop and mature we put them in more streamlined, lighter, postion specific pads - in theory the now experienced player has the necessary fundamentals and savvy and can wear the nfl-style shoulderpads.

 

 

Wow, great synopsis of things for the curious

 

Im guessing if there "were" a higher rate of rejects of say ..nonRiddell helmets, it goes back to that insurance/liability bugaboo and avoiding anything questionable where they could get hit with the big lawsuit?

 

As I recall, even with diff brands/labels we had been down to basically 2 manufacturers of helmets due to liability issues. Perhaps they are marketing under different lables now to spread out insurance/liabilty costs/concerns?

 

Anyway thanks for the info. New kids & parents should know this stuff going in. I really like the S/P transition for less experienced. Things like that help keep the new/younger ones safe & interested in sticking with it AND show that most coaches are concerned with their kids FIRST.:ylsuper:

 

Bravo, take a bow :thumb: :thumb:

 

Woody Jr

I'm not actually a coach just a volunteer stat guy and equipment manager. I have nothing to do with the X's and O's, I used to be able to handle a lot of the little things so the coaches could concetrate on the important stuff but I've fallen behind due to my work schedule. I now work until at least 7pm Mon-Thurs so I only see the players on Fridays, and Saturday mornings after games.

I miss being able to attend every practice and freshmen and jv games, but gotta work.

Luckily my boss is Coach Nichols' dad so I can manage to get off for important things like passing out equipment, and all varsity games and scrimmages.

I'm not actually a coach just a volunteer stat guy and equipment manager. I have nothing to do with the X's and O's, I used to be able to handle a lot of the little things so the coaches could concetrate on the important stuff but I've fallen behind due to my work schedule. I now work until at least 7pm Mon-Thurs so I only see the players on Fridays, and Saturday mornings after games.

I miss being able to attend every practice and freshmen and jv games, but gotta work.

Luckily my boss is Coach Nichols' dad so I can manage to get off for important things like passing out equipment, and all varsity games and scrimmages.

 

 

As someone who just fooled with Middle school & youth leagues you have NO idea how important your help is to coaches. At one point I had 2 teams with 40 some players. The fact I had some dedicated dads AND moms who had been with me and learned what needed to be done - that made working with the kids much more efficient and productive

 

Cheers, Woody Jr