If the plan is put into law then yes you can do A.

You've always been able to do B.

I would also add a third option to your list. © start your business since all of those evil corporations aren't treating you fairly.

The love-your-job-or-leave-it schtick really gets overused on these boards. Quite often I think those who embrace this philosophy are the most disgruntled. They figure if they're getting taken advantage of, then everyone should join 'em.

Continuing to mandate to employers is bad for business, bad for the economy and ultimately bad for the workers. Mandated healthcare, mandated minimum salary wage, mandated leave with pay. The price of everything goes up. Or companies decide they will have to let some people go. Or they cut back on their 401(k) match. Or no bonuses.

 

The little guy decides he's going to fold up shop. He can't compete with big business. The little margins he had disappear by all the mandates. So, now you have no choice who to buy from. The rich actually get richer through these mandates as they are the only ones who can afford to keep up with the mandates.

 

As for choice where you work, I am in agreement. You choose and agree, for the most part to accept terms and conditions of employment. One local bank is notorious for being a "sweatshop". Yet people continue to choose to work there because of the benefits and opportunities of working there...Or you take a job and come to find out it involved more travel, more weekends, more hours. I have seen people leave and come back quickly because of these items.

 

Again to mandate is bad. You want see our economy grow and more jobs available, this is not the way it's going to happen. Careful what you wish for...Save me Mr President!

 

I am a conservative guy and agree with the bolded above. I in general hate it when the government gets involved with businesses. However, I think this is different. When paying low to mid level employees (and $50k and less represents those levels), the employee should not be paid for 40 hours (and salaries are based on a 40 hour week almost always) and be expected to work 50 or 60. That is just not right. I am a capitalist but I also think there are guys running big companies that would totally take advantage of their employees and simply call it "good business". It totally ticks me off when the two guys running Chipotle make over $25MM per year but then expect their store managers to work 60 hours a week and make $35k. I have no problem with them making whatever the company can afford...but pay the employees fairly.

The love-your-job-or-leave-it schtick really gets overused on these boards. Quite often I think those who embrace this philosophy are the most disgruntled. They figure if they're getting taken advantage of, then everyone should join 'em.

 

Just the opposite, I would bet the advocates of moving on if you're unhappy have done that very thing, and probably more than once.

The love-your-job-or-leave-it schtick really gets overused on these boards. Quite often I think those who embrace this philosophy are the most disgruntled. They figure if they're getting taken advantage of, then everyone should join 'em.

Who said you had to love it. You're free to hate your job all you want. That's what makes America great. However if you are unhappy with your job you also have the choice to leave it.

Not sure if this has been said. Obviously, this would greatly affect businesses. But I am really curious how this would affect the construction industry. A lot of 60-70 weeks being worked to stay on schedule. Construction is a HUGE part of the economy. Not sure exactly how many employees are hourly or salary. Guess it depends on the company.

Who said you had to love it. You're free to hate your job all you want. That's what makes America great. However if you are unhappy with your job you also have the choice to leave it.

Freedom to hate one's job makes America great? You lost me on that one.

 

By the way, the "love-your-job-or-leave-it" reference was a salute to a phrase that was often heard in the early '70s: "Love it (America) or leave it," usually directed toward long-haired hippies who embraced an ideology not consistent with Richard Nixon's.

Not sure if this has been said. Obviously, this would greatly affect businesses. But I am really curious how this would affect the construction industry. A lot of 60-70 weeks being worked to stay on schedule. Construction is a HUGE part of the economy. Not sure exactly how many employees are hourly or salary. Guess it depends on the company.

Not a lot of experience but what I've seen is that everyone other than the supervisor is hourly and the supervisor is above the threshold. Shouldn't affect them much.

The fact that they knew still doesn't mean it's right. You are making X$ each week and are offered XX$ with promotion...you find you are working more hours for similar hourly pay, was this really a promotion or just a way to get more hours out of you for the same pay per hour?

 

My first "Promotion" I made less pay per week because I had been killing the OT before getting promoted. After my promotion I worked similar hours and brought home less pay. I took the promotion as a way to move up, but make no mistake that as a salaried worker I was over worked and under compensated for years before finally "Promoting" to the next level.

 

But the other "perk" of the job is to get a leg up. Most first promotions from an hourly associate to an exempt associate are just that, a way to get a leg up and get your foot in the door. If you are only taking the job because of the money that will more than likely not work out for you.

 

How long did you stay in that role? Did it help get your foot in the door? Did you gain experience to help in another role? If so then you were compensated more than dollars. Remember, your employer took a chance on an unproven worker as well. They shared equal risk.

Why isn't the middle class earning $156,000 a year?

Why isn't the middle class earning $156,000 a year? - Jul. 1, 2015

 

This article was on CNN today. It pretty much sums up why our government has to step in. For the past 3 decades the focus has been on the very rich or the very poor while eradicating the middle class, the backbone of the USA.

The love-your-job-or-leave-it schtick really gets overused on these boards. Quite often I think those who embrace this philosophy are the most disgruntled. They figure if they're getting taken advantage of, then everyone should join 'em.

 

 

I don't know if they're disgruntled they probably just forgot what it was like to be somewhere you don't have the perks. Somewhere you are putting in 60 hours a week for nothing else.

 

People lose empathy with success.

Just the opposite, I would bet the advocates of moving on if you're unhappy have done that very thing, and probably more than once.

 

I agree. It's called competition. If I am the best manager at the widget factory and I'm not being compensated accordingly chances are that I can take my skill set to the other widget factory in town. It's a little theory known as supply and demand.

I don't know if they're disgruntled they probably just forgot what it was like to be somewhere you don't have the perks. Somewhere you are putting in 60 hours a week for nothing else.

 

People lose empathy with success.

 

Makes for a good excuse for people anyway.

I agree. It's called competition. If I am the best manager at the widget factory and I'm not being compensated accordingly chances are that I can take my skill set to the other widget factory in town. It's a little theory known as supply and demand.

Two similar widget factories in the same town? Where exactly in China do you live?

Freedom makes America great? You lost me on that one.

 

By the way, the "love-your-job-or-leave-it" reference was a salute to a phrase that was often heard in the early '70s: "Love it (America) or leave it," usually directed toward long-haired hippies who embraced an ideology not consistent with Richard Nixon's.

Here, I fixed that for you.

I have only worked at 5 different jobs, two of those were salary positions. I knew the hours and the pay for the salaried positions before I ever accepted them. So if I wasn't happy afterwards that's on me not the company, unless the hours and pay changed after I took it and then you move on.