May 28, 201511 yr :lol2: Mega trades for Mosgov and JR Smith/Iman Shumpert. Just stop. This is silly... One of the main reasons they turned everything around. To completely dismiss that trade is silly. And also yes, Lebron is better than Jordan.
May 28, 201511 yr Lebron never played under Pat Riley. When you have someone like Pat Riley in your organization, the inexperience of the coach really doesn't matter at all, in my opinion.
May 28, 201511 yr And also yes, Lebron is better than Jordan. To me he isn't there yet, but barring some sort of catastrophic injury or event, he'll be there very soon. If he manages to win it this, it'll be hard for almost anyone to say otherwise.
May 28, 201511 yr There's no doubt in my mind that Lebron is better than MJ and if the Cavs win it all this year it will be a much bigger accomplishment at that level than anything MJ ever did. People always forget that Michael Jordan saved the Looney Toons :idunno:
May 28, 201511 yr People always forget that Michael Jordan saved the Looney Toons :idunno: Bill Murray saved the Looney Toons.
May 28, 201511 yr Author When you have someone like Pat Riley in your organization, the inexperience of the coach really doesn't matter at all, in my opinion. The Knicks disagree.
May 28, 201511 yr The Knicks disagree. Probably because he was stuck facing Jordan for half of his short stint there.
May 28, 201511 yr We are already saying that Jordan was a better scorer and I don't think that is being disputed, so this might not sway anyone but the way that the game is called now vs. then makes Jordan's scoring even more impressive in my opinion.
May 28, 201511 yr This doesn't have anything to do with their play on the court, but for me if has everything to do with their likability... The fact that Lebron stepped out of high school into a $100 million shoe contract without ever really having to "earn" his way into the NBA always sticks in my mind. An 18 year old kid (man-child) who was the richest man in the building (outside of possibly the owner) was a completely different scenario than Jordan was drafted into. Money is absolute power and Lebron has always been the "boss" no matter what his coaches have done. He has shown that repeatedly this year with his changing of Blatt's plays and what not. Talking publicly about calling his own number at the end of that game is pretty damning to me, but maybe that's just me. I can't think of specific instances where Jordan threw his coach under the bus publicly, but not saying it didn't happen. I'm not sure it would've happened early in his career and not sure he would've done it to Phil either. The money Jordan got early in his career isn't even comparable to what Lebron earned walking out of high school graduation. The irony of that situation for me is that Lebron never sees that shoe money or the big contracts without Jordan paving the way for it. Lebron's quitting against the Celtics in game 6 and the way he handled "The decision" will always stick in my mind and be why I will never like Lebron more than Jordan. I do think he can catch him as the GOAT, but for me his accomplishments will have to surpass everything Jordan did. I guess I give Jordan a pass for leaving the game for what was going on in his life at the time (murder of his father) and the fact that he actually walked away from the game and didn't quit on the court. This might not mean anything to the rest of you, but to me I always think of Jordan's talent as man made and Lebron's biggest asset as God given. Maybe that's not fair to Lebron, but that's how I think. I'm not trying to say Lebron hasn't worked hard to get where he is, but my perception will always be that Jordan worked harder, had less resources and was less of a pure physical specimen so all that factors in for me.
May 28, 201511 yr ^ This is why I hate Lebron... He looks as healthy as he has all season flying around the court. Give me a freaking break.
May 28, 201511 yr Jordan also wins in intangibles. Some may discount that, but that weighs heavily in my mind. Dude absolutely buckled under the pressure in 2011 against the Mavs and went in to a shell. I can't ignore that. The greatest of all time does not do that. That is as huge of a demerit as any great has ever accrued on a resume. Even if the Spurs were better last season, they were not better to the point they should have won by a record margin. The greatest of all time does not allow that to happen. Is this Skip Bayless?
May 28, 201511 yr What are the specific intangibles that MJ had that Lebron doesn't have? Don't know how to put it...that's the thing about intangibles, sometimes it's just that's something "extra" that's hard to explain or maybe even sometimes almost impossible to explain. But, some people have "it", and others don't. Best I can put it is, Jordan had an unwavering desire to not just beat, but punish the team in front of him and will his team to rally to the cause and do the same. And he would relentlessly come at you to do it, and get up in his teammates faces to make sure they did it too. Lebron just does not have this intangible. As for the Pistons you keep bringing up...Jordan made it his mission to get better so he could beat them. He decided he wasn't physically strong enough to handle the muggings that they doled out (which wasn't basketball, by the way) so he made it his primary goal to get stronger and physically tougher, which he did, which helped him to 6 titles.
May 28, 201511 yr How are they not similar? That's why I don't understand why MJ gets a pass on his early failures. People call it Lebron punking out in those 2011 NBA Finals. I call it the moment DWade realized that the Heat no longer belong to him. Wade was still the "leader" of the Heat at that time. That was LBJ's first year with the Heat and he submitted to Wade. After that season he no longer submitted to Wade and those are the years Lebron grew as a player and as a leader. I guess we all forget that MJ shot the ball a lot like Kobe did when he was younger and before he learned how to defeat old superstars who no longer had the bodies to keep up with MJ. I think Jordan gets a "pass", if you want to call it that, because it was part of a career ascension. You are citing losses in his rise to stardom and holding it to the exact same standard as LeBron's debacle against an inferior opponent when he was already heralded as the league's best player. LeBron averaged like 9 points less per game that series than he did all season. But keep telling yourself it was all part of his growth and understanding his role with the Heat. That is a hogwash excuse and you know it. He folded. No need in trying to defend it like James Harden would defend anyone on the court.
May 28, 201511 yr This doesn't have anything to do with their play on the court, but for me if has everything to do with their likability... The fact that Lebron stepped out of high school into a $100 million shoe contract without ever really having to "earn" his way into the NBA always sticks in my mind. An 18 year old kid (man-child) who was the richest man in the building (outside of possibly the owner) was a completely different scenario than Jordan was drafted into. Money is absolute power and Lebron has always been the "boss" no matter what his coaches have done. He has shown that repeatedly this year with his changing of Blatt's plays and what not. Talking publicly about calling his own number at the end of that game is pretty damning to me, but maybe that's just me. I can't think of specific instances where Jordan threw his coach under the bus publicly, but not saying it didn't happen. I'm not sure it would've happened early in his career and not sure he would've done it to Phil either. The money Jordan got early in his career isn't even comparable to what Lebron earned walking out of high school graduation. The irony of that situation for me is that Lebron never sees that shoe money or the big contracts without Jordan paving the way for it. Lebron's quitting against the Celtics in game 6 and the way he handled "The decision" will always stick in my mind and be why I will never like Lebron more than Jordan. I do think he can catch him as the GOAT, but for me his accomplishments will have to surpass everything Jordan did. I guess I give Jordan a pass for leaving the game for what was going on in his life at the time (murder of his father) and the fact that he actually walked away from the game and didn't quit on the court. This might not mean anything to the rest of you, but to me I always think of Jordan's talent as man made and Lebron's biggest asset as God given. Maybe that's not fair to Lebron, but that's how I think. I'm not trying to say Lebron hasn't worked hard to get where he is, but my perception will always be that Jordan worked harder, had less resources and was less of a pure physical specimen so all that factors in for me. Haters gonna Hate I guess. Your reasoning sound a little petty to me.
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