The Navy seal who last month drowned during training in CA was ruled a homicide also. Kind of the same thing. The instructors contributed to his death during training by dunking his head and splashing water.

 

This is what they said at the time: "It is important to understand that 'homicide' refers to 'death at the hands of another' and a homicide is not inherently a crime," Ed Buice said in a statement. "The nomenclature of the autopsy report does not signal that the Naval Criminal Investigative Service investigation into Seaman Lovelace's death has culminated, nor that conclusions have been reached regarding criminal culpability

 

I've never known any of that involving a death being ruled a homicide.

You learn something new everyday:D

 

So what we've learned is, all murders are homicides, but not all homicides are murder..

Hmmm go figure, another horrible prosecution. Hope she gets de-barred

 

Congrats to to all the officers who were acquitted.

I wonder if the city is regretting paying out over $6,000,000 to the family?

You learn something new everyday:D

 

So what we've learned is, all murders are homicides, but not all homicides are murder..

That is the difference between involuntary manslaughter and murder.

This cartoon says it all as far as how people react today...

 

To be fair, a lot of that crap started when I was a kid entering the school system in '75. It caught on from there.

 

"Ain't no principal gonna tell me how to raise my kid!"

 

Heard that a lot growing up, and I often wondered why my folks sounded a lot different. I felt cheated then; not so much now. I saw how those kids turned out.

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To be fair, a lot of that crap started when I was a kid entering the school system in '75. It caught on from there.

 

"Ain't no principal gonna tell me how to raise my kid!"

 

Heard that a lot growing up, and I often wondered why my folks sounded a lot different. I felt cheated then; not so much now. I saw how those kids turned out.

 

Guess my folks missed that memo :lol2:

 

Miss a game or 2 over grades and I got my act together... My kid will have the same treatment.

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Is there anyone who doesn't think that something fishy happened here? Is there anyone that thinks the officers did everything correctly ?

Is there anyone who doesn't think that something fishy happened here? Is there anyone that thinks the officers did everything correctly ?

The problem with the entire thing was the charges the prosecutor brought. The prosecutor was irresponsible when she prosecuted the officers the way she did. I don'thave the court trasncripts from any of the cases but remember after the incident hearing that there was another prisoner in the back of the van who stated the victim was slashing around in his seat and banging his head against the wall as if trying to purposely injure himself. Don't know if that is fact or fiction, but it is what I heard. If that is the case then that would explain a lot.

 

The prosecutor and the Mayor both should be held accountable for the fiasco that was the prosecution of all those officers. They preach innocent until proven guilty yet both already determined guilt the day the incident occurred in their public press conferences.

The problem with the entire thing was the charges the prosecutor brought. The prosecutor was irresponsible when she prosecuted the officers the way she did. I don'thave the court trasncripts from any of the cases but remember after the incident hearing that there was another prisoner in the back of the van who stated the victim was slashing around in his seat and banging his head against the wall as if trying to purposely injure himself. Don't know if that is fact or fiction, but it is what I heard. If that is the case then that would explain a lot.

 

The prosecutor and the Mayor both should be held accountable for the fiasco that was the prosecution of all those officers. They preach innocent until proven guilty yet both already determined guilt the day the incident occurred in their public press conferences.

 

I think the mayor is certainly fair game for her reaction.

 

But a prosecutor inherently assumes guilt if they think there is reason to bring charges. Otherwise, why would you ever bring charges?

I wonder if the city is regretting paying out over $6,000,000 to the family?

 

That is a paltry sum to keep you entire city from burning to the ground...

Is there anyone who doesn't think that something fishy happened here? Is there anyone that thinks the officers did everything correctly ?

 

I think that something happened.

 

I also think that the prosecutor way over charged and charged to many people.

I think the mayor is certainly fair game for her reaction.

 

But a prosecutor inherently assumes guilt if they think there is reason to bring charges. Otherwise, why would you ever bring charges?

 

I think the problem with the prosecutor are two fold:

 

1. She overcharged. IMHO if she had charged with involuntary manslaughter, or whatever the Maryland equivalent is, she would have had a better shot at convictions.

 

2. She took the political stance of guilty to appease the masses and probably assist he husband in his political aspirations.

Freddie Gray officers suing prosecutor Marilyn Mosby - CNN.com

 

Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby is going from prosecutor to civil defendant in connection with the case of the death of Freddie Gray.

 

On Wednesday, Mosby announced that charges against three officers still facing trial were being dropped. Mosby gave only a statement, but had to leave without taking questions because five of the officers in the case have filed lawsuits against her.

 

Officers Garrett Miller, Edward Nero and William Porter as well as Sgt. Alicia White and Lt. Brian Rice are suing Mosby and Maj. Samuel Cogen of the Baltimore Sheriff's Office. Cogen was the law enforcement officer who filed charging documents against the officers.

 

The lawsuits allege false arrest, false imprisonment, defamation or false light, and other assertions. They were filed in U.S. District Court in Maryland in 2015 in late April and early May around the time the officers were arrested.

 

Gray died in a hospital on April 19, 2015, a week after police stopped him on a Baltimore street. After his arrest, officers placed Gray in the back of a police van, which made several stops.

 

When the van arrived at the police station, Gray was unresponsive. His neck was broken and compressed, prosecutors said in court, comparing the spinal injury to those suffered after a dive into a shallow pool.

 

Rice and Nero had already been acquitted in separate bench trials. So had Officer Caesar Goodson, who apparently has not filed suit. Porter was the first to be tried but his case ended with the jury unable to reach a unanimous decision.

 

Mosby's office dropped the charges against Miller, Porter and White on Wednesday.

 

An attorney for two of the officers said Wednesday that there were ulterior motives in charging the officers.

 

"Marilyn Mosby's comments in her press conference today confirm that the charges brought against my clients, Sgt. Alicia White and Officer William Porter, as well as the other four officers, were politically motivated and not supported by evidence to establish probable cause," Michael E. Glass said.

 

He said his client suffered "extensive pain and suffering." Porter and White had been suspended without pay until Wednesday. They are now on desk duty after more than a year on leave.

 

Rice, the highest-ranking officer charged in the case, paints himself as minimally involved, according to court documents.

 

He was the first to make eye contact with Gray, the lawsuit concedes, but he was not involved in the arrest. When a crowd gathered around the police wagon where officers were attempting to place an "uncooperative" Gray, Rice "directed other officers to move the wagon approximately one block south in order to complete paperwork and otherwise effectuate Mr. Gray's arrest."

 

Gray "continued to yell and scream" and slam himself against the side of the van, causing the vehicle to shake, so officers removed Gray from the wagon and placed him in flex cuffs and leg shackles, according to the lawsuit. He was placed back in the van, where he again "began to bang the inside of the wagon."

 

That marked the end of Rice's interaction with Gray, the lawsuit says.

 

"At no point during his interactions with Mr. Gray did Plaintiff Rice see any officers use excessive force, strike or tase Mr. Gray," the lawsuit states.

 

Rice accuses Mosby of realizing the case would draw widespread media attention and speaking "in a divisive and inciting manner" while making false statements about him. Mosby's remarks, Rice alleges, broke the state's code of professional conduct, which forbids lawyers from making "an extrajudicial statement" they know will prejudice a court proceeding.

 

One of the false statements Mosby made, according to Rice's case, was saying the knife Gray was arrested with was legal under Maryland law. Rice contests in his lawsuit that it was spring-assisted and therefore illegal, and says Mosby knew that.

 

Mosby told Cogen to file the erroneous charges against Rice, the lawsuit states.

 

The lieutenant "lost his freedom and dignity and suffered physical and psychological harm from being arrested and detained without cause," the suit says.

 

The litigants are asking for $75,000 per allegation, plus legal costs.

 

CNN left messages Wednesday with Cogen and his attorney.

 

CNN legal analyst Paul Callan said it is very difficult to sue prosecutors, who have what is called absolute immunity. Mosby's attorneys will argue she was acting within the scope of her job and is protected by such immunity.

 

In most cases against prosecutors, the defense files a motion to dismiss and the judges agree, Callan said.

 

"Even lawyers are sometimes shocked at how difficult it is to hold prosecutors responsible for patently improper actions," he said about prior cases.

 

But in some cases, the plaintiffs will argue that the prosecutor stepped out of his or her role and acted as law enforcement, who have qualified immunity.

 

Callan said he thinks the plaintiffs will argue that Mosby, an elected official, did become an investigator because of her belief that police were not properly pursuing the case and her desire to appease her political constituency.

I think the mayor is certainly fair game for her reaction.

 

But a prosecutor inherently assumes guilt if they think there is reason to bring charges. Otherwise, why would you ever bring charges?

 

I tend to believe the other prisoner in the van. They have no vested interest to lie. I think she prosecuted to either further her political career or vengeance. From what I understand Gray had a history of injuring himself for profit. If that's true, it's far fetched that he did it this time.