January 7, 201511 yr Did McGwire ever win one? If he did, it had to be the very beginning of his career, and had to be a fluke. Won it in 90. And, his fielding percentage was above average. He wasn't a bad defensive player but not HOF worthy.
January 7, 201511 yr Loved McGwire, may be one of my favorite players ever, and would love to see him in the Hall. But he really was only good at hitting HR's, and I don't really think he deserves it.
January 9, 201511 yr Loved McGwire, may be one of my favorite players ever, and would love to see him in the Hall. But he really was only good at hitting HR's, and I don't really think he deserves it. Not even close. McGwire is little more than a juiced-up Dave Kingman — literally and figuratively.
January 9, 201511 yr Not even close. McGwire is little more than a juiced-up Dave Kingman — literally and figuratively. From '87-'91, there wasn't a better powerhitter in baseball outside of maybe Canseco. After that, injuries crushed him, and roids ruined him. To be fair, Adam Dunn is a better comparison. McGwire used to walk all of the time, as in 5 seasons with over 100 walks including leading the league in 1998. He had 162 BBs and 70 HRs. His career OBP was .394. That's much better than just being a powerhitter. He just couldn't run. Dunn's career OBP was .364 and he walked over 100xs during 8 times. His batting average is .062 lower than McGwire's. Kingman had a career .302 OBP and never walked more than 62 times in a season and was a career .236 hitter, .063 worse than McGwire career batting average. Edited January 9, 201511 yr by mexitucky
January 9, 201511 yr 3HoFers compared to MacGwire Al Lopez similar batting numbers (avg and hits minus the HRs) and worse career Fielding % Johnny Evers similar batting numbers (avg and hits minus the HRs) and worse career Fielding % Joe Tinker similar batting numbers (avg and hits minus the HRs) and worse career Fielding % I'm not making a case for MacGwire just stating that his numbers are in line with some HoFer's that also don't have one huge stat like HR's that he does.
January 9, 201511 yr To compare him w/ other Hall of Fame 1st Base sluggers: Mark McGwire OBP. 394 Batting Average of .263 (my math is off on the above comparisons) and 1414 RBIs Harmon Killebrew OBP .376 Batting Average of .256 and 1584 RBIs. Mel Ott OBP .414 Batting average of .304 and 1860 RBI Jimmie Foxx OBP .428 Batting Average of .325 and 1922 RBI Willie McCovey OBP .374 Batting Average of .270 and 1555 RBI Frank Thomas OBP. 419 Batting Average of .301 and 1704 RBI Judging by what he was defensively, do his #s stack up outside of home runs? They were closer than I thought.
January 9, 201511 yr They do stack up favorably. But the 'roids will keep him out. If Barry Bonds can't get in, the only way MM gets in is to buy an admission ticket.
January 9, 201511 yr To compare him w/ other Hall of Fame 1st Base sluggers: Mark McGwire OBP. 394 Batting Average of .263 (my math is off on the above comparisons) and 1414 RBIs Harmon Killebrew OBP .376 Batting Average of .256 and 1584 RBIs. Mel Ott OBP .414 Batting average of .304 and 1860 RBI Jimmie Foxx OBP .428 Batting Average of .325 and 1922 RBI Willie McCovey OBP .374 Batting Average of .270 and 1555 RBI Frank Thomas OBP. 419 Batting Average of .301 and 1704 RBI Judging by what he was defensively, do his #s stack up outside of home runs? They were closer than I thought. Also only 6 Hall of Famers have a higher OPS than MacGwire: Ruth* Williams* Gehrig* Foxx* Greenberg* Hornsby and only 5 (*) have a higher slugging % I agree with mcpapa that Roids keep him out. Without the Roids he would get in first ballot IMO as would Bonds and Clemens.
January 9, 201511 yr To compare him w/ other Hall of Fame 1st Base sluggers: Mark McGwire OBP. 394 Batting Average of .263 (my math is off on the above comparisons) and 1414 RBIs Harmon Killebrew OBP .376 Batting Average of .256 and 1584 RBIs. Mel Ott OBP .414 Batting average of .304 and 1860 RBI Jimmie Foxx OBP .428 Batting Average of .325 and 1922 RBI Willie McCovey OBP .374 Batting Average of .270 and 1555 RBI Frank Thomas OBP. 419 Batting Average of .301 and 1704 RBI Judging by what he was defensively, do his #s stack up outside of home runs? They were closer than I thought. Not as far as I'm concerned. McGwire made his living terrorizing No. 4 and No. 5 starters who wouldn't have even been in the league were it not for unnecessary expansion. He would've struggled to top the Mendoza line if he played in the '60s and '70s.
January 9, 201511 yr Not as far as I'm concerned. McGwire made his living terrorizing No. 4 and No. 5 starters who wouldn't have even been in the league were it not for unnecessary expansion. He would've struggled to top the Mendoza line if he played in the '60s and '70s. That argument could be used for a lot of guys from that era heading into the Hall. What if you played for a terrible team w/ nothing behind you? That impacts your numbers. We can't play the hypothetical and say that Vlad Gurerro would have 50 more home runs b/c teams tried to pitch around him. You can only use the #s. Based off of them, and what he was as an all around player compared to the other 1st basemen of his era, is he good enough? I honestly don't know b/c I don't know how much of his recovery from injury in his late 20s was steroid aided.
January 9, 201511 yr Not as far as I'm concerned. McGwire made his living terrorizing No. 4 and No. 5 starters who wouldn't have even been in the league were it not for unnecessary expansion. He would've struggled to top the Mendoza line if he played in the '60s and '70s. .286 with 7 homers off Frank Tanana, .346 with 5 homers off of Mark Langston, .409 with 5 homers off of Tom Gordon, .355 with 5 homers off of Orel Hershisher, .290 with 5 homers off of Mike Boddicker, .429 with 5 homers off of Scott Erickson, .471 with 5 homers off of Livan Hernandez, .289 with 4 homers off of Kevin Tapani, .292 with 4 homers off of Kenny Rogers, .225 with 3 homers off of Randy Johnson (about as good as anyone), .313 with 3 homers off of David Wells, .368 with 3 homers off of Rick Aguilera, .243 with 4 homers off of Jack Morris, .316 with 2 homers off of Greg Maddux, .300 with 2 homers off of Tommy John, .316 with 2 homers off of Jamie Moyer, .250 with 2 homers off of Andy Pettitte, .273 with 2 homers off of Lee Smith, .333 with 2 homers off of Rob Nen, .400 with 2 homers off of Rod Beck, .300 with a homer off of Mariano Rivera... Now Roger Clemens owned him. I think he had an .094 average against the Rocket.
January 9, 201511 yr Author Calos Delgado Deserves an Apology • Hit 30-plus home runs 10 years in a row Only seven other eligible players in history have even had nine (or more) 30-homer seasons in a row. Four of them -- Jimmie Foxx, Lou Gehrig, Mike Schmidt and Eddie Matthews -- are in the Hall of Fame. The other three -- Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa and Rafael Palmeiro -- all have PED storm clouds hovering over them. But that didn't get any of them sentenced to the one-and-done club. Now did it? • Have an OPS over .900 for nine years in a row Only nine other eligible players have ever had an OPS of .900 or better in at least nine consecutive seasons in which they qualified for the batting title. Seven are in the Hall: Gehrig, Foxx, Schmidt, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Stan Musial and Mickey Mantle. The other two are Bonds and Mike Piazza. No need to get into why they're not Hall of Famers. But at least they're still on the ballot. • Hit 473 home runs Before Delgado came along, only three members of the 400-Homer Club were ever one-and-done. The guy with the most homers on that list was Jose Canseco (462), the famous author. The other two were Dave Kingman, who hit 442 homers but didn't even finish with an .800 career OPS, and the underrated Darrell Evans (with 414 homers and 2,223 career hits). Evans was clearly in the argument for Best One-and-Done Player Ever before this week. But not anymore. • Have a .929 career OPS Only two players in history finished their careers with an OPS over .900 and got whisked off the ballot after one year. One was Mo Vaughn (.906). The other also got the boot this year -- Brian Giles (.902). Giles is another guy who probably belongs in the Best One-and-Done Players of All Time conversation. But neither Giles nor Vaughn was within 20 points -- or 140 homers -- of Delgado. Astounded that he got so few votes...
January 10, 201511 yr Calos Delgado Deserves an Apology • Hit 30-plus home runs 10 years in a row Only seven other eligible players in history have even had nine (or more) 30-homer seasons in a row. Four of them -- Jimmie Foxx, Lou Gehrig, Mike Schmidt and Eddie Matthews -- are in the Hall of Fame. The other three -- Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa and Rafael Palmeiro -- all have PED storm clouds hovering over them. But that didn't get any of them sentenced to the one-and-done club. Now did it? • Have an OPS over .900 for nine years in a row Only nine other eligible players have ever had an OPS of .900 or better in at least nine consecutive seasons in which they qualified for the batting title. Seven are in the Hall: Gehrig, Foxx, Schmidt, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Stan Musial and Mickey Mantle. The other two are Bonds and Mike Piazza. No need to get into why they're not Hall of Famers. But at least they're still on the ballot. • Hit 473 home runs Before Delgado came along, only three members of the 400-Homer Club were ever one-and-done. The guy with the most homers on that list was Jose Canseco (462), the famous author. The other two were Dave Kingman, who hit 442 homers but didn't even finish with an .800 career OPS, and the underrated Darrell Evans (with 414 homers and 2,223 career hits). Evans was clearly in the argument for Best One-and-Done Player Ever before this week. But not anymore. • Have a .929 career OPS Only two players in history finished their careers with an OPS over .900 and got whisked off the ballot after one year. One was Mo Vaughn (.906). The other also got the boot this year -- Brian Giles (.902). Giles is another guy who probably belongs in the Best One-and-Done Players of All Time conversation. But neither Giles nor Vaughn was within 20 points -- or 140 homers -- of Delgado. Astounded that he got so few votes... I've always kind of thought of Delgado as a modern-day Freddy Lynn.
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