August 22, 201412 yr Maybe, I think the fact that most people afterwards can't accurately tell how many shots they fired is indicative of being overwhelmed by the situation and adrenaline. Google the impact of the sympathetic nervous system on use of force investigations. A lot of things that are out of your control can happen when faced with a deadly force situation. I know most will ignore this but I thought it was worth posting. Highway Patrol troopers fix basketball goal for Ferguson children | FOX2now.com Most of the accounts that I have read have praised the Highway Patrol Officers for their treatment of the protestors in Ferguson. It was the officers of St. Louis/surrounding communities that seemed to have gone over the line in their actions.
August 22, 201412 yr Google the impact of the sympathetic nervous system on use of force investigations. A lot of things that are out of your control can happen when faced with a deadly force situation. Ah, the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system. Now you're speakin' my language.
August 22, 201412 yr We agree. Lots of IFs. Can't just say "too bad for you since you punched a cop." Right, and along with those ifs, if he punched a cop and tried stealing his gun it's pretty reasonable to think he may try to steal it again if he comes charging at him. I see almost no way this case should go to trial unless it is proven he was a good distance away and wasn't charging the officer. It will go to trial however IMO.
August 22, 201412 yr Author Right, and along with those ifs, if he punched a cop and tried stealing his gun it's pretty reasonable to think he may try to steal it again if he comes charging at him. I see almost no way this case should go to trial unless it is proven he was a good distance away and wasn't charging the officer. It will go to trial however IMO. How can that be proven though?
August 22, 201412 yr Author Which part? That he was charging the officer. Can it be proven if Brown was charging the officer or backing up or standing still?
August 22, 201412 yr Most of the accounts that I have read have praised the Highway Patrol Officers for their treatment of the protestors in Ferguson. It was the officers of St. Louis/surrounding communities that seemed to have gone over the line in their actions. I believe it's been referred to as the "hug-a-looter policy." I do think this is a very good thing the Highway Patrol is doing.
August 22, 201412 yr How can that be proven though? I think the x rays taken before the autopsy can help determine distance. Not sure of the science behind it.
August 22, 201412 yr I think the x rays taken before the autopsy can help determine distance. Not sure of the science behind it. Tissue usually determines distance. Xray would determine entry/exit.
August 22, 201412 yr That he was charging the officer. Can it be proven if Brown was charging the officer or backing up or standing still? With witnesses and evidence maybe...I'm not a forensic expert though.
August 22, 201412 yr I a m wondering if it wouldn't be better for the officer to go to trial for his own good. This way he can clear his name through evidence in a trial. Just wondering.
August 22, 201412 yr Yes, words do matter, and when you resort to quoting parts of somebody's posts because the rest of the posts contradict your mischaracterization, then that fits the definition of a straw man argument perfectly. It is not a pretty sight to see somebody employ such shady tactics in an effort to win an argument. There are no easy shortcuts to winning debates when the facts undermine your position. You earn no points for winning strawman arguments because you are actually arguing with yourself. You win but you also lose. Here is your entire post so that we can eliminate the lame "you didn't quote me accurately" crap. So far, there does not seem to be any factual evidence that points to the cop's story being inaccurate. The autopsies, in particular seem to contradict much of the eyewitness accounts, except for the conversation that was inadvertently caught in the background of a cell phone video - and it supports the officer's story. The fact that the source of the most sensational eyewitness testimony that accused Officer Wilson of murder came from Brown's friend and possible accomplice in a robbery that took place only a few minutes earlier negates much of the testimony that implicated Wilson in a wrongful shooting. Whether Brown fractured any bones in Wilson's face or not, if there are photos and/or videos showing a swollen, bruised face, then there is no way that charges should be brought against Wilson. It does not take 40 FBI agents, the Civil Rights section of the DOJ, and three or more police departments to figure that one out. You made a declarative statement in your last paragraph. All I can do is go by what you say. The prelude to the statement is simply you discrediting, perhaps correctly, statements that have been made. So I didnt leave out anything of importance. You said if....then... Hard to misconstrue.
August 22, 201412 yr Right, and along with those ifs, if he punched a cop and tried stealing his gun it's pretty reasonable to think he may try to steal it again if he comes charging at him. I see almost no way this case should go to trial unless it is proven he was a good distance away and wasn't charging the officer. It will go to trial however IMO. I will be surprised if we see it go to trial without those facts being likely.
August 22, 201412 yr I a m wondering if it wouldn't be better for the officer to go to trial for his own good. This way he can clear his name through evidence in a trial. Just wondering. Overall, I say it would not be better. Trials get ugly. He may have things brought up from his past that he wants to keep private - big or small. Plus, even if he's found not guilty it's not going to sway a lot of people. If you believe him you were right. If you don't believe him and think it's just another case of the man getting one over on the people then you're still going to think that. Nothing gained IMO.
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