August 31, 201412 yr Perhaps that is because there is no accurate database of officer involved shootings. Why? One reason is that the police departments are often uncooperative and quit giving information to journalists that write negative articles. There are a couple of people trying to compile a database on this. Here's a couple of links: What I've Learned from Two Years Collecting Data on Police Killings We're Compiling Every Police-Involved Shooting In America. Help Us. So you are saying that the reason there isn't a database is because police departments become uncooperative and quit giving information to journalists that write negative articles? Do you have anything to back that up or are we just supposed to take your word for it? With that said, I wasn't specifically talking about police involved shootings. I was talking about police brutality in general. Regardless, is it okay to make a claim with zero evidence to support? Why make the claim if you can't support it with facts? How can you prove that it's true?
August 31, 201412 yr So you are saying that the reason there isn't a database is because police departments become uncooperative and quit giving information to journalists that write negative articles? Do you have anything to back that up or are we just supposed to take your word for it? With that said, I wasn't specifically talking about police involved shootings. I was talking about police brutality in general. Regardless, is it okay to make a claim with zero evidence to support? Why make the claim if you can't support it with facts? How can you prove that it's true? Read the articles. One of the authors details just that. Or we could use the example of the Lexington/Fayette Police Department whose officers quit speaking to the reporters that did the article on police speeding in a construction zone.
August 31, 201412 yr How about a new thread to discuss your theory that there is an epidemic of police brutality in this country? That would allow those of us who find your arguments compelling to participate in a discussion and those of us who feel that we are being spammed in multiple threads to avoid it?
August 31, 201412 yr How about a new thread to discuss your theory that there is an epidemic of police brutality in this country? That would allow those of us who find your arguments compelling to participate in a discussion and those of us who feel that we are being spammed in multiple threads to avoid it? Feel free to block me. It won't hurt my feeling a bit.
August 31, 201412 yr Feel free to block me. It won't hurt my feeling a bit.I don't want to block anybody, I am just tired of the spamming. HB20 was right about that.
August 31, 201412 yr Read the articles. One of the authors details just that. Or we could use the example of the Lexington/Fayette Police Department whose officers quit speaking to the reporters that did the article on police speeding in a construction zone. I heard the report on speeding, and it was much like something out of a tabloid when they decided to report rumors that police were going to stop talking to them now. Didn't a Lexington officer do an interview for that piece? I'm noticing a theme here. Make a negative point about police, then don't give any facts to support it... You realize that police talking to the media has nothing to do with whether or not there is a national database on police shootings, right? The police don't have to give information out on an open investigation and the media can always file for open records of closed cases through court...right?
August 31, 201412 yr How about a new thread to discuss your theory that there is an epidemic of police brutality in this country? That would allow those of us who find your arguments compelling to participate in a discussion and those of us who feel that we are being spammed in multiple threads to avoid it? We don't agree often, but here we do. In all seriousness, I have skipped over many pages on this thread, attempting to find posts from more that just a few members. lol
August 31, 201412 yr Perhaps that is because there is no accurate database of officer involved shootings. Why? One reason is that the police departments are often uncooperative and quit giving information to journalists that write negative articles. There are a couple of people trying to compile a database on this. Here's a couple of links: What I've Learned from Two Years Collecting Data on Police Killings We're Compiling Every Police-Involved Shooting In America. Help Us. Not to do their job for them but I'd say that there is a 99.9% chance that the DOJ and the FBI have that information on hand at the stroke of a couple keys.
August 31, 201412 yr Not to do their job for them but I'd say that there is a 99.9% chance that the DOJ and the FBI have that information on hand at the stroke of a couple keys. From the first article: In attempting to collect this information, I was lied to and delayed by the FBI, even when I was only trying to find out the addresses of police departments to make public records requests. The government collects millions of bits of data annually about law enforcement in its Uniform Crime Report, but it doesn't collect information about the most consequential act a law enforcer can do.
August 31, 201412 yr From the first article: In attempting to collect this information, I was lied to and delayed by the FBI, even when I was only trying to find out the addresses of police departments to make public records requests. The government collects millions of bits of data annually about law enforcement in its Uniform Crime Report, but it doesn't collect information about the most consequential act a law enforcer can do. That is his story...if he made a FOI request to the FBI or DOJ they legally have to answer it...the info is there and is available.
August 31, 201412 yr That is his story...if he made a FOI request to the FBI or DOJ they legally have to answer it. This guy sounds like someone that just wants to complain and whine...the info is there and is available. As far as there being a national data base that's who has it...the FBI. Do you really think that if it were that simple that he would go through all of that effort to try and put one together? He's asking for help going through day by day searches. I seriously doubt that he is doing so just so he can complain. If that were the case why go through all the work to build the database? It makes no sense.
August 31, 201412 yr Do you really think that if it were that simple that he would go through all of that effort to try and put one together? He's asking for help going through day by day searches. I seriously doubt that he is doing so just so he can complain. If that were the case why go through all the work to build the database? It makes no sense. Not sure why, maybe he's not real bright! Do you really think the DOJ doesn't have this information? They know what time you got up to pee this morning, they sure as heck know how many officer involved shooting there have been.
August 31, 201412 yr From the first article: In attempting to collect this information, I was lied to and delayed by the FBI, even when I was only trying to find out the addresses of police departments to make public records requests. The government collects millions of bits of data annually about law enforcement in its Uniform Crime Report, but it doesn't collect information about the most consequential act a law enforcer can do. Law enforcement reported 720 justifiable homicides in 2012. Of those, law enforcement officers justifiably killed 410 felons, and private citizens justifiably killed 310 people during the commission of crimes. (See Expanded Homicide Data Tables 14 and 15.) FBI ? Expanded Homicide Data Also... In 2010, according to the FBI, there were 705,009 police officers in the United States. During that same year, according to the CATO institute there were 4,861 unique reports of alleged police misconduct. 6,613 different officers were involved in those complaints. That's less than 1 % in 2010 that were accused of misconduct, according to these statistics. The link also says that 1,575 of the police misconduct complaints were for alleged excessive force.
August 31, 201412 yr FBI ? Expanded Homicide Data Also... In 2010, according to the FBI, there were 705,009 police officers in the United States. During that same year, according to the CATO institute there were 4,861 unique reports of alleged police misconduct. 6,613 different officers were involved in those complaints. That's less than 1 % in 2010 that were accused of misconduct, according to these statistics. The link also says that 1,575 of the police misconduct complaints were for alleged excessive force. Joe maybe you need to send those guys HB20's Link! Could save them a lot of time!
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