http://fox4kc.com/2014/08/19/shawn-parcells-credentials-role-in-michael-brown-autopsy-questioned-by-doctors/

 

Interesting read about Mr. Parcells.

I disagree that those incidents that you cited are good parallels to the intervention of a state governor, a U.S. president, and a U.S. Attorney General before local authorities were even allowed to complete an investigation, but the important thing is that you are satisfied that you answered the question.

 

As for your question, I disagree that police officers will ignore crimes committed by blacks in the future because of the rush to judgment of Officer Wilson. However, I think that the way that Wison was vilified without the benefit of a full investigation and the aftermath of his actions may cause some cops to hesitate when faced with similar circumstances and that hesitation may be deadly.

 

 

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The important thing is I am satisfied I answered the question???? That's what you took from my discussion about mountainref's fears? Come one now. I only answered that question because you jumped into that discussion and didn't answer the initial question. My conversation was about mountainref's fears of cops unable to do their jobs concerning black people which I thought was far fetched. That's the only discussion in that instance and you managed to to take one little sentence that didn't pertain to the initial discussion and run with it only to disagree with examples I cited based on my opinion???? If you're going to disagree with me at least stick to the topic being discussed. That's a whole other argument about whether or not the incidents I cited are parallels to this situation. This situation has 100 different things to be parallel to. :lol2:

 

 

As for the original topic of this sidebar, cops fearing black criminals, I don't think any cop who loves to do his job will have any hesitancy going forward. Any cop who is in the same situation as Officer Wilson that hesitates to act because of the fear of the fallout should probably re-evaluate if they want to be a cop any more. Regardless of this situation cops are here to serve and protect and I don't want any cop serving and protecting me if they are scared that Al and Jesse are coming to town if they pull me over for speeding and texting while driving. It takes a special mindset to be a policeman or policewoman and I don't lump the bad cops in with all cops. If there is any doubt in that special mindset that will prevent them from doing their job properly they should re-evaluate their career.

It shouldn't be funny but I laughed when I read that.

 

I'm going to keep it real. I'm just saying. That's a big, strong fella.

The writer obviously has an agenda and the stories tell exactly one side of the story. I think it's more telling that one of the cops that beat a black man for absolutely no reason in a town that is 70% black was elected by that town to a city counsel seat.

 

I couldn't give two craps about the writer or their "agenda". The situation alone is a light in to why locals don't trust their police department. But shift away from that if you must...

Name another similar incident in which the governor of a state demanded that a police officer be vigorously prosecuted and the Attorney General of the United States interjected himself into a case without even giving the local and state police departments time to complete their investigations. I don't recall any.

 

I think the murder of the Three Civil Rights Workers in '64 prompted FBI investigation right away.

 

Mississippi civil rights workers' murders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fairfax County's population alone is over 1.1 million, and that does not include the population of Arlington, Alexandria, or Falls Church. This is also a heavily liberal Democratic area. The demographics are not similar to Hardin County. This is a very polarized area politically and people who openly despise the military are much too common here.

 

Hasn't been my experience in Norfolk though. Quite the opposite in fact.

I disagree that those incidents that you cited are good parallels to the intervention of a state governor, a U.S. president, and a U.S. Attorney General before local authorities were even allowed to complete an investigation, but the important thing is that you are satisfied that you answered the question.

 

 

For the sake of this part of your post....another aspect of when I say "it's been going on for decades" is how many times has something happened when a governor, U.S. President and a U.S. Attorney General should have intervened but didn't? The distrust between blacks and the government and the police goes back decades and that is what I was referring to when I said "it's been going on for decades". Can I cite specific examples? Not off the top of my head but blacks were still being hung in the south well into the 1960s and Emmitt Till is a situation that pops up on my radar as well. If you're going ignore the treatment of blacks after blacks were supposed to be free from slavery then I see why you would say that the incidents I cited aren't good parallels. They all run together with the same sentiment.

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The important thing is I am satisfied I answered the question???? That's what you took from my discussion about mountainref's fears? Come one now. I only answered that question because you jumped into that discussion and didn't answer the initial question. My conversation was about mountainref's fears of cops unable to do their jobs concerning black people which I thought was far fetched. That's the only discussion in that instance and you managed to to take one little sentence that didn't pertain to the initial discussion and run with it only to disagree with examples I cited based on my opinion???? If you're going to disagree with me at least stick to the topic being discussed. That's a whole other argument about whether or not the incidents I cited are parallels to this situation. This situation has 100 different things to be parallel to. :lol2:

 

 

As for the original topic of this sidebar, cops fearing black criminals, I don't think any cop who loves to do his job will have any hesitancy going forward. Any cop who is in the same situation as Officer Wilson that hesitates to act because of the fear of the fallout should probably re-evaluate if they want to be a cop any more. Regardless of this situation cops are here to serve and protect and I don't want any cop serving and protecting me if they are scared that Al and Jesse are coming to town if they pull me over for speeding and texting while driving. It takes a special mindset to be a policeman or policewoman and I don't lump the bad cops in with all cops. If there is any doubt in that special mindset that will prevent them from doing their job properly they should re-evaluate their career.

I am not just talking about racists like Jackson and Sharpton coming to town. When a state governor demands a vigorous prosecution of a policeman, when that policeman is summoned to appear before a grand jury, and the President of the U.S. dispatches to Attorney General to investigate the shooting - all before local authorities are given time to complete their investigation - there is a serious problem.

 

The way that Officer Wilson is being treated will have a negative impact on the morale of police officers around the country.

I am not just talking about racists like Jackson and Sharpton coming to town. When a state governor demands a vigorous prosecution of a policeman, when that policeman is summoned to appear before a grand jury, and the President of the U.S. dispatches to Attorney General to investigate the shooting - all before local authorities are given time to complete their investigation - there is a serious problem.

 

The way that Officer Wilson is being treated will have a negative impact on the morale of police officers around the country.

 

Did post #950 meet the criteria. (I'm not trying to be smart. I just didn't know but it's the first case I thought of)

Behind the scenes footage with St. Louis tactical police.

 

http://m.stltoday.com/news/multimedia/st-louis-county-police-tactical-team-under-fire/html_7fb666cb-31bd-5d52-a64c-5ad86a9d685e.html?mobile_touch=true

ACLU: Officer Who Threatened to 'F*cking Kill' Ferguson Protesters Taken Off Duty - The Wire

 

 

Strong language in the article and video, obviously.

This may come off as somewhat crass, and I don't know ton, ton about the specifics of the situation, but just returning an indictment in an of itself is pretty easily done. Rick Perry is the governor of Texas and just turned himself in yesterday or the day before for an indictment in Texas that most everyone agrees is largely bunk.

 

There's a saying that "you could indict a ham sandwich" for a reason. At a grand jury hearing, many of the rules of evidence don't apply. Someone being accused can have their lawyer there, but not in the same room. The whole system of getting an indictment is heavily weighed in favor of those seeking one.

Hasn't been my experience in Norfolk though. Quite the opposite in fact.

My interaction with the military has been exclusively in the DC area and with the Army. There are probably more security concerns here than in other parts of the country but I know that the Army discourages Soldiers from wearing their uniforms where they are exposed to the general public. They do travel between local bases and the Pentagon in uniform.

I think the murder of the Three Civil Rights Workers in '64 prompted FBI investigation right away.

 

Mississippi civil rights workers' murders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This was not a similar incident at all, but the intervention of the FBI in the case you mentioned and in similar cases in the mid-1960s was perfectly justified.

 

In the case of the Ferguson incident, there was no reason to suspect that the Ferguson Police Department and the state of Missouri would ignore the facts and automatically exonerate Officer Wilson.

 

Politicians in this case have simply caved under the threat of more looting and rioting. That is the wrong reason for involvement by the DOJ and the FBI - and Gov. Nixon was clearly wrong to publicly call for the prosecution of Officer Wilson instead of allowing the investigation to reach a conclusion.

My interaction with the military has been exclusively in the DC area and with the Army. There are probably more security concerns here than in other parts of the country but I know that the Army discourages Soldiers from wearing their uniforms where they are exposed to the general public. They do travel between local bases and the Pentagon in uniform.

 

Definitely not the case at the dozen or so other base towns I'm familiar with. I do recall in the one time I visited DC in 2000 there wasn't a whole lot of uniformed servicepeople (the ceremony at the Tomb of the Unknowns being a notable exception), but I chalked that up more to the fact that we were in the city, and you don't generally see a lot of uniforms in those places anyway.