You should think about changing your avatar.

Personal attack? Really?

 

Before anyone else questions my motives, patriotism or view on liberties, let me say that I served in the U.S. Marines as did my father and brother. I have two sons who are Army officers and have done tours in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

I believe in the right to bear arms, but they don't belong in the workplace.

 

I believe in freedom of speech, but that doesn't give you the right to hurt others by using that right.

 

I believe in small government, but we still need a government who gives us laws to abide by.

 

And finally, I believe I'm angry. Y'all have a nice day.

Personal attack? Really?

 

Before anyone else questions my motives, patriotism or view on liberties, let me say that I served in the U.S. Marines as did my father and brother. I have two sons who are Army officers and have done tours in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

I believe in the right to bear arms, but they don't belong in the workplace.

 

I believe in freedom of speech, but that doesn't give you the right to hurt others by using that right.

 

I believe in small government, but we still need a government who gives us laws to abide by.

 

And finally, I believe I'm angry. Y'all have a nice day.

 

Relax. If you want to tread on others' rights to bear arms, then don't wave a flag that says "Don't Tread on Me."

 

The Gadsden flag and gun rights have a long history with one another. You either believe in what it stands for or you don't.

 

A doctor disobeyed an unjust law. His actions, in doing so, stopped what could have been another scenario where a lot of people lost their lives. And your end result is to punish him?

 

What should he have done? What if the gunmen had his gun aimed at a family member of yours, your wife, or perhaps your child. And this doctor, barely, was able to pull his gun out and shoot the armed individual. Would you request he serves time in jail despite him saving you from a lot of grief?

 

I'm so very sorry for hurting your feelings.

Personal attack? Really? Before anyone else questions my motives' date=' patriotism or view on liberties, let me say that I served in the U.S. Marines as did my father and brother. I have two sons who are Army officers and have done tours in both Iraq and Afghanistan. I believe in the right to bear arms, but they don't belong in the workplace. I believe in freedom of speech, but that doesn't give you the right to hurt others by using that right. I believe in small government, but we still need a government who gives us laws to abide by. And finally, I believe I'm angry. Y'all have a nice day.[/quote']

 

 

From one Marine to another, your view on this baffles me... As a Marine I admire the Doctors courage to do the right thing even though those who governed him had attempted to make that more difficult with their "utopia" philosophy. I admire the courage the doctor showed in A) breaking the rules because he knew those rules jeopardized his safety and those around him and B) facing the gunman and neutralizing the threat, when many would have tried to flea or cower in fear as their life was taken. As I Marine I was commanded to live my life with Honor, Courage and Commitment I'm glad in this case someone who possessed those traits stood in the way of the way of the gunman

Relax. If you want to tread on others' rights to bear arms, then don't wave a flag that says "Don't Tread on Me."

 

The Gadsden flag and gun rights have a long history with one another. You either believe in what it stands for or you don't.

 

Since the flag predates the constitution I think you're the one trying to re-appropriate its meaning into a narrower political opinion.

I know several clergy who carry FWIW. Can't blame them either.

Since the flag predates the constitution I think you're the one trying to re-appropriate its meaning into a narrower political opinion.

 

Gun rights predate the Constitution. And those who fought to put those rights on paper for people to plainly understand have a strong history with the Gadsden flag/symbol.

 

My point remains.

Gun rights predate the Constitution. And those who fought to put those rights on paper for people to plainly understand have a strong history with the Gadsden flag.

 

My point remains.

 

I would say it has a closer association with independence, self-government, or the revolutionary navy. Either way, I find it silly to tell someone they aren't allowed to have the flag because you don't agree with their political views.

I would say it has a closer association with independence, self-government, or the revolutionary navy. Either way, I find it silly to tell someone they aren't allowed to have the flag because you don't agree with their political views.

 

It was used way before the Revolutionary Navy ever was, by the Sons of Liberty, one leader being Christopher Gadsden, along with militia groups like the Minutemen who were strongly opposed to gun control and taxes, searches and seizures. These issues were major precursors to the Rev. war. But whatever, we can argue that another time.

 

And would it be silly to tell someone who has a anti-war bumper sticker along with a Bush/Cheney 2004 sticker that they should probably reevaluate things?

Personal attack? Really?

 

Before anyone else questions my motives, patriotism or view on liberties, let me say that I served in the U.S. Marines as did my father and brother. I have two sons who are Army officers and have done tours in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

I believe in the right to bear arms, but they don't belong in the workplace.

 

I believe in freedom of speech, but that doesn't give you the right to hurt others by using that right.

 

I believe in small government, but we still need a government who gives us laws to abide by.

 

And finally, I believe I'm angry. Y'all have a nice day.

HHSDad, you know I certainly don't question your motives. We may disagree in this thread, but I know you well enough to know you're not anti-gun and have served your country well, as has your father, brother and two sons. Something I am very grateful to all five of you for. I'm sorry it got personal, it really shouldn't have. I think we can debate this without making it personal, certainly no reason to get personal.

I'll just chime in with my usual mantra.

 

How do you decide in a situation such as a hospital who gets the guns? And, again, doctors and other healthcare professionals are not immune from the same mental illnesses as the patients they see. What about the patients who aren't allowed weapons to protect themselves?

 

Guns do not belong in the workplace.

Doctor also might lose his medical license for violating Hippocratic oath to do no harm to anyone.

I'll just chime in with my usual mantra.

 

How do you decide in a situation such as a hospital who gets the guns? And, again, doctors and other healthcare professionals are not immune from the same mental illnesses as the patients they see. What about the patients who aren't allowed weapons to protect themselves?

 

Guns do not belong in the workplace.

So, people with mental illnesses will not ignore a policy that prohibits guns in hospitals? Hospital security guards are as susceptible to mental illnesses as anybody else. Should they also be prohibited from carrying firearms in hospitals? Police officers are also susceptible to mental illness. Should their magazines be restricted to rubber bullets while on hospital premises or in their places of work?

 

Gun free zones are no safer than any other areas. Criminals and those with serious mental illnesses do not respect the boundaries of gun free zones and actually prefer to operate within them because of the number of defenseless targets that they provide.

Not a fan of the wild west form of solving problems. Count me among those who are willing to live life without wondering who is a good guy with a gun and who is a bad one, and who is a bad one masquerading as a good one.

Doctor also might lose his medical license for violating Hippocratic oath to do no harm to anyone.

Doctors acting in self defense have nothing to worry about. If licenses were pulled for violations of the Hippocratic oath, then there would be no abortion mills in this country.

Not a fan of the wild west form of solving problems. Count me among those who are willing to live life without wondering who is a good guy with a gun and who is a bad one, and who is a bad one masquerading as a good one.

Defenseless targets invite violence. It is the same for individuals as it is for nations. Peace through strength is not a perfect strategy but there is a long history of soft targets (groups and nations) being victimized by mass murderers who do not respect gun control laws or unilateral disarmament strategies.