July 23, 201412 yr In all my life, I can never recall an outfielder catching a ball 6 feet behind the infield cut. I've seen outfielders catch the ball in the infield dirt way more than once.
July 23, 201412 yr I've seen outfielders catch the ball in the infield dirt way more than once. In major league baseball? Wow. I would love to see that video. Regardless of that, the ball that dropped in New York was 100% on Frazier. He ran past where the ball hit and did a rain dance looking for it. There are a lot of things we can hang on Bruce this season but that play is not one of them.
July 23, 201412 yr Sign Bailey long term and then trade him? Through 2019 for $105m with an option for 2020 isn't long enough for you? 6 yr/$105M (14-19)+20 opt $9,000,000 $10.000 $18.000 $19.000 $21.000 $23.000
July 23, 201412 yr Through 2019 for $105m with an option for 2020 isn't long enough for you? 6 yr/$105M (14-19)+20 opt $9,000,000 $10.000 $18.000 $19.000 $21.000 $23.000 My point was, why sign him long term this year and then try to trade him? That doesn't make much sense to do that.
July 23, 201412 yr In major league baseball? Wow. I would love to see that video. Regardless of that, the ball that dropped in New York was 100% on Frazier. He ran past where the ball hit and did a rain dance looking for it. There are a lot of things we can hang on Bruce this season but that play is not one of them. You only like to act like you watch Major League Baseball, right? With the propensity of the infield shift it is a regular occurrence. I saw Nava and Gomes both do it last season for the Red Sox. Neither one is a gold glove caliber outfielder like Bruce.
July 23, 201412 yr You only like to act like you watch Major League Baseball, right? With the propensity of the infield shift it is a regular occurrence. I saw Nava and Gomes both do it last season for the Red Sox. Neither one is a gold glove caliber outfielder like Bruce. Missed them doing it. Where were they playing if there was a shift? I will certainly be on the lookout for it going forward. Let me know the next time you see it happen so I don't miss seeing it.
July 23, 201412 yr You only like to act like you watch Major League Baseball, right? With the propensity of the infield shift it is a regular occurrence. I saw Nava and Gomes both do it last season for the Red Sox. Neither one is a gold glove caliber outfielder like Bruce. I'm with VOR on this one. There was a reason why Bruce was playing back as far as he was...it's because he's got a major league gun for his left arm. You play back as far as you can, to the point you can still throw the guy out at home on a sac fly. There's no way that either Nava or Gomes would be back as far as Bruce, because both of them would be considered only average-to-above average arms. (Which is why you see both of them playing LF, while Bruce is in right.) It's like the coaches in Little League tell you, it's always easier to run in on a ball, than it is to try to run backwards. You don't want a little bloop over the outfielder to cause him to run backwards to catch it, and have all his momentum going the opposite way of his throw. I think the big difference here is COULD Jay have caught it, versus SHOULD Jay have caught it. To the first, possibly. If he goes full tilt from the get go and dives for it, maybe he comes up with it. Maybe. Should he have? No. With a regular 1B there, that's their ball all day long. You don't go diving into a play that a teammate can make standing upright. Now, we didn't have a regular 1B there, and I'm sure Jay knows that too. But, there's still a point where you expect a guy to make the play, and that's what happened. By the time Jay realized Todd didn't have it, it was too late.
July 23, 201412 yr I'm with VOR on this one. There was a reason why Bruce was playing back as far as he was...it's because he's got a major league gun for his left arm. You play back as far as you can, to the point you can still throw the guy out at home on a sac fly. There's no way that either Nava or Gomes would be back as far as Bruce, because both of them would be considered only average-to-above average arms. (Which is why you see both of them playing LF, while Bruce is in right.) It's like the coaches in Little League tell you, it's always easier to run in on a ball, than it is to try to run backwards. You don't want a little bloop over the outfielder to cause him to run backwards to catch it, and have all his momentum going the opposite way of his throw. I think the big difference here is COULD Jay have caught it, versus SHOULD Jay have caught it. To the first, possibly. If he goes full tilt from the get go and dives for it, maybe he comes up with it. Maybe. Should he have? No. With a regular 1B there, that's their ball all day long. You don't go diving into a play that a teammate can make standing upright. Now, we didn't have a regular 1B there, and I'm sure Jay knows that too. But, there's still a point where you expect a guy to make the play, and that's what happened. By the time Jay realized Todd didn't have it, it was too late. Jay couldn't have been playing an average RF and thrown Ellsbury out at the plate. He should have been playing a shallow RF. Bruce clearly quit on the play when he shouldn't have.
July 23, 201412 yr No way we should be blaming Bruce for that mess. That's Fraziers ball and if he's having trouble, Skip shoulda called him off.
July 23, 201412 yr No way we should be blaming Bruce for that mess. That's Fraziers ball and if he's having trouble, Skip shoulda called him off.Perhaps that's why Bruce quit on the ball. Perhaps he thought that's Frazier's or Skip's ball and I'm not about to catch it so I'll just pull up here and let it drop.
July 23, 201412 yr Who knows. Bruce diving to catch it still allows the run to score. He wouldn't have had to dive to have caught the ball.
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