Tubby should be honored with being a very good husband' date=' dad, community worker, and charity worker. Other than 1998 how many times did he get to the fnal four?[/quote']

 

Many believe his name needs to hang in the rafters.

Edited May 11, 201412 yr by JokersWild24

Many belief his name needs to hang in the rafters.

 

I am one of them. If you win a title as a coach, you go to the rafters IMO.

I am one of them. If you win a title as a coach, you go to the rafters IMO.

 

I agree, but if his name goes on teh Rafters, then they should put with Pitinos players and offense. Because the next years he coached he didnt run that offense.

I agree, but if his name goes on teh Rafters, then they should put with Pitinos players and offense. Because the next years he coached he didnt run that offense.

 

That 1998 team did not play much of Pitino's style. The players on that team were perfect for the half court style Tubby when. He had his very good big guys for his inside out offense he ran to go along with the shooters when he was kicked back out or coming off screens. Pitino's players that yet probably fit Tubby's offense better than what Pitino's was at the time.

 

Yes Tubby won it all with guys Pitino recruited. However people do need to give the man credit for it, we have no idea if Pitino would have won it that year. That UK team was not the most talented team in the country, and who knows if we even get passed Duke with Pitino coaching. We very easily could have one less title right now if Pitino coached that team because it is an unknown. What is known is that we did win the title with Tubby calling the plays that year.

How much do you know about Texas? They will have a nationally ranked team IMO. They just added Turner and they have a very good guard in Taylor.

 

I wholeheartedly agree that Texas will be much improved, but also remember that Rick Barnes is on the sidelines.

I wholeheartedly agree that Texas will be much improved, but also remember that Rick Barnes is on the sidelines.

 

As long as Barnes is there, Texas will always be vulnerable.

I agree, but if his name goes on teh Rafters, then they should put with Pitinos players and offense. Because the next years he coached he didnt run that offense.

 

I wonder if Eddie Sutton's first team in '86 had won the title (remember they lost in Regional Final and had beaten the champ that season) would people have said: "Yeah but he won it with Joe Hall's players?"

 

Might also add that Roy Williams won his first at UNC with the bulk of his players from his predecessor.

I wonder if Eddie Sutton's first team in '86 had won the title (remember they lost in Regional Final and had beaten the champ that season) would people have said: "Yeah but he won it with Joe Hall's players?"

 

Might also add that Roy Williams won his first at UNC with the bulk of his players from his predecessor.

 

I know personally I absolutely said that when Roy won his first title. It's not that Roy couldn't have gotten good players on his own, but Doherty left him a team stacked with talent. Had Doherty not been an abysmal in-game coach he might have stuck around UNC longer.

 

I've always thought people take it way too personally and others try to take it way too far when it comes to the 98 title team. Sometimes you get these situations where someone else brings in the players but you get the right coach to take those guys further. It's like the Tampa Bay Bucs winning the Super Bowl in 2002. Gruden was the perfect coach for that moment but it was still the team Dungy's team built. But I never thought they would win the Super Bowl had Dungy still been there.

Many belief his name needs to hang in the rafters.

 

Count me in on this group. I've been of that belief for a few years now.

 

He came in at a time when there was nowhere to go but down considering he was following a legend in Pitino who'd just been to back-to-back title games.

 

He won it all in 1998, ran a clean program otherwise, and had some bad breaks like Bogans getting hurt in 2003 (when we ran through SEC play) that kept him from getting more glory.

 

Toward the end of his tenure, it was probably best for both parties that they went their separate ways (mainly because of his loyalty to his assistants), but I wish they'd put him in Rupp's Rafters and think it's going to be overdue once they finally get around to it.

As long as Barnes is there, Texas will always be vulnerable.

 

"...but he got Durant".

 

That's what most all Texas fans say when you try to tell them how inept Barnes is.

 

He'll be fine because he can hang his hat on Durant and some Sweet 16's, which is enough for them.

I'd imagine that because of my viewing area (and having the Longhorn Network) that I've seen Texas play more than most on the board. Here are my observations from watching them a number of times last season.

 

First, they have a nice team returning, and Myles Turner only adds to that.

 

Cameron Ridley is a LOAD inside and he'll make a great complement to Turner's ability to stretch the floor. Ridley goes 6'9, 285, and was a McDonald's All American coming out of high school. He averaged ~11 ppg last year, but will have the potential to really break out now that he's paired with a long, athletic big in Turner who can mask some of his deficiencies.

 

Jonathon Holmes is a 6'8, 240 wing who led them in scoring last season (12.8 ppg) and is entering his senior season. Isaiah Taylor is a 6'1, 170 guard who averaged 12.7 ppg last season as a freshman and should only be better. His quickness will give the Harrisons problems. Javan Felix is a 5'11, 160 guard who averaged ~11.5 ppg as a sophomore and whose quickness will give our bigger guards some problems. Demarcus Holland is a 6'2, 185 guard who will be a junior; he came off the bench last season and averaged ~7 ppg.

 

As you can see from the numbers, Texas is a fairly balanced team that can beat you in a number of ways. Against Kentucky, they'll need their guards and wings, particularly Holmes and Taylor, to be able to use their quickness and create some things.

 

As big as our front line is, we don't have a player as physically imposing as Cameron Ridley. Dakari gives up a good 20-25 lbs. to Ridley and just doesn't have the kind of raw power that he does (though Johnson is predictably more mobile). Kentucky could potentially take Ridley out of the game (or at least greatly limit his effectiveness) if they are able to force the tempo and/or throwing a number of bodies at him throughout the night.

 

If I'm Barnes, I tell my team to take the opportunity to run when it's there, but not to force the issue. Texas has more quickness in the lineups that they'll consistently play, but they don't want to fall into the trap of getting into a track meet with Kentucky because doing so will likely mean diminishing returns on Ridley's production and allow the Cats far deeper bench to come into play.

 

This game probably comes down to how effective Turner can be (even if it's just in this contest). If the Cats get his A game, then we're in a little trouble because of the mismatches that he can create. Lyles and Towns don't strike me as kids with "world class" athleticism-- they'll be pros because they are skilled, not because they are athletic freaks. I see Marcus Lee as being the defender most apt to slowing a hot Turner, but going with him or Cauley-Stein means that we take either's limits offensively and pair them with Johnson (who'll have to guard Ridley). Johnson and Cauley-Stein/Lee isn't our best offensive line-up, so the 3 spot will become even more important.

 

The formula for Texas beating Kentucky would be to have a game where: 1.) Turner is effective, 2.) the Longhorns' guards use their quickness to penetrate and open things up, and 3.) the combination of #1 and #2 opens things up for everyone else and that balance carries them. All that said, the Horns will probably STILL need a poor shooting night from the Cats (i.e., minimal production from the guards/wings, especially the 3 spot) to be able to pull out the W.

 

I'm excited to see the game and think that Texas will be a great early test to see where we stand as a team. They're a quality opponent and it'd really surprise me if they aren't a tournament team, so beating them on our home court will be important, not only for our psyche, but for our RPI numbers (as we will hopefully be in contention for the #1 overall seed... hey, I can hope, right?).

I'd imagine that because of my viewing area (and having the Longhorn Network) that I've seen Texas play more than most on the board. Here are my observations from watching them a number of times last season.

 

First, they have a nice team returning, and Myles Turner only adds to that.

 

Cameron Ridley is a LOAD inside and he'll make a great complement to Turner's ability to stretch the floor. Ridley goes 6'9, 285, and was a McDonald's All American coming out of high school. He averaged ~11 ppg last year, but will have the potential to really break out now that he's paired with a long, athletic big in Turner who can mask some of his deficiencies.

 

Jonathon Holmes is a 6'8, 240 wing who led them in scoring last season (12.8 ppg) and is entering his senior season. Isaiah Taylor is a 6'1, 170 guard who averaged 12.7 ppg last season as a freshman and should only be better. His quickness will give the Harrisons problems. Javan Felix is a 5'11, 160 guard who averaged ~11.5 ppg as a sophomore and whose quickness will give our bigger guards some problems. Demarcus Holland is a 6'2, 185 guard who will be a junior; he came off the bench last season and averaged ~7 ppg.

 

As you can see from the numbers, Texas is a fairly balanced team that can beat you in a number of ways. Against Kentucky, they'll need their guards and wings, particularly Holmes and Taylor, to be able to use their quickness and create some things.

 

As big as our front line is, we don't have a player as physically imposing as Cameron Ridley. Dakari gives up a good 20-25 lbs. to Ridley and just doesn't have the kind of raw power that he does (though Johnson is predictably more mobile). Kentucky could potentially take Ridley out of the game (or at least greatly limit his effectiveness) if they are able to force the tempo and/or throwing a number of bodies at him throughout the night.

 

If I'm Barnes, I tell my team to take the opportunity to run when it's there, but not to force the issue. Texas has more quickness in the lineups that they'll consistently play, but they don't want to fall into the trap of getting into a track meet with Kentucky because doing so will likely mean diminishing returns on Ridley's production and allow the Cats far deeper bench to come into play.

 

This game probably comes down to how effective Turner can be (even if it's just in this contest). If the Cats get his A game, then we're in a little trouble because of the mismatches that he can create. Lyles and Towns don't strike me as kids with "world class" athleticism-- they'll be pros because they are skilled, not because they are athletic freaks. I see Marcus Lee as being the defender most apt to slowing a hot Turner, but going with him or Cauley-Stein means that we take either's limits offensively and pair them with Johnson (who'll have to guard Ridley). Johnson and Cauley-Stein/Lee isn't our best offensive line-up, so the 3 spot will become even more important.

 

The formula for Texas beating Kentucky would be to have a game where: 1.) Turner is effective, 2.) the Longhorns' guards use their quickness to penetrate and open things up, and 3.) the combination of #1 and #2 opens things up for everyone else and that balance carries them. All that said, the Horns will probably STILL need a poor shooting night from the Cats (i.e., minimal production from the guards/wings, especially the 3 spot) to be able to pull out the W.

 

I'm excited to see the game and think that Texas will be a great early test to see where we stand as a team. They're a quality opponent and it'd really surprise me if they aren't a tournament team, so beating them on our home court will be important, not only for our psyche, but for our RPI numbers (as we will hopefully be in contention for the #1 overall seed... hey, I can hope, right?).

 

Don't forget Taylor , their PG. He is very good. He really impressed me.

Don't forget Taylor , their PG. He is very good. He really impressed me.

 

Most definitely. I had him in there right after I mentioned Holmes.

 

I think Holmes and Taylor's quickness could give us fits.

Rick Barnes couldn't coach Secreatariat to a win in a mule race.