There is going to be a civil suit no matter what. I hope they name the property owners who didn't give permission for the party and whoever purchased the alcohol etc and not just the police dept since it was more everything else that caused all of this in the first place.

 

If the property owners did not give permission for the party why would they be liable and why should they be sued?

 

If the property owners did not give permission for the party why would they be liable and why should they be sued?

 

I think that if it is proven that they didn't know anything about it the nothing really should be done with them. However if this is an ongoing every week thing to do not put up a gate to stop it or done something to keep this from happening on their property?

I think that if it is proven that they didn't know anything about it the nothing really should be done with them. However if this is an ongoing every week thing to do not put up a gate to stop it or done something to keep this from happening on their property?

 

If they did not give permission, it's not on them. They don't have to put up a gate to prevent others from breaking the law.

If they did not give permission, it's not on them. They don't have to put up a gate to prevent others from breaking the law.

 

Agreed. If some kids break into my house and have a party while I'm gone I'm not responsible, correct?

If the property owners did not give permission for the party why would they be liable and why should they be sued?

I'm was just trying to make the point that it seems a lot of people are quick to put all the blame on the officer which isn't right. There were many illegal things at p,ay here that ultimately led to her death that many seem to push aside.

 

 

Tresspassing

underage drinking and whatever else was being used at the party

Driving under the influence (if proven she was intoxicated)

Alluding and resisting

Endangering others (officer and passengers and others walking on the road etc.)

 

All before a single shot was fired.

 

I am not excusing the officers hand in this if he is found to have an unauthorized shooting, but all those things led up to the shooting.

 

So a civil suit is being filed against the officer and the Sheriff dept for the death of the girl. Yet it is too easy for many to sweep under the rug what exactly led up to and caused the shooting in the first place. It reminds me of a burglar who breaks his leg jumping out of the window of a house he was robbing and suing the homeowner for his injuries. Yes I know it's not the same, but the concept itself isn't that far different.

I'm was just trying to make the point that it seems a lot of people are quick to put all the blame on the officer which isn't right. There were many illegal things at p,ay here that ultimately led to her death that many seem to push aside.

 

 

Tresspassing

underage drinking and whatever else was being used at the party

Driving under the influence (if proven she was intoxicated)

Alluding and resisting

Endangering others (officer and passengers and others walking on the road etc.)

 

All before a single shot was fired.

 

I am not excusing the officers hand in this if he is found to have an unauthorized shooting, but all those things led up to the shooting.

 

So a civil suit is being filed against the officer and the Sheriff dept for the death of the girl. Yet it is too easy for many to sweep under the rug what exactly led up to and caused the shooting in the first place. It reminds me of a burglar who breaks his leg jumping out of the window of a house he was robbing and suing the homeowner for his injuries. Yes I know it's not the same, but the concept itself isn't that far different.

 

I'm not seeing how any of this provides any substance for charging the property owners, assuming that they did not give permission for the party to occur.

I'm not seeing how any of this provides any substance for charging the property owners, assuming that they did not give permission for the party to occur.

I shouldn't of listed that because the point that I was trying to make didn't come out right. But my point is still the same. If they are going to sue anyone for their daughter breaking all those laws why not go all the way and sue everyone.

I just think there are too many unknowns from what we have seen on video to make a judgment. I just can't imagine that the officer intentionally ended up on the hood of that car unless he felt like he had no choice.

If they did not give permission, it's not on them. They don't have to put up a gate to prevent others from breaking the law.

 

Agreed. If some kids break into my house and have a party while I'm gone I'm not responsible, correct?

I agree with you guys on that. My point was if this was frequently the site for these "Field Parties" (as some have said) and the owners knew they happened and then turned a blind eye to it, there MAY be some liability on them too.

I agree with you guys on that. My point was if this was frequently the site for these "Field Parties" (as some have said) and the owners knew they happened and then turned a blind eye to it, there MAY be some liability on them too.

 

I certainly hope that the law doesn't work that way. I should not be punished for the acts of others.

I certainly hope that the law doesn't work that way. I should not be punished for the acts of others.

It doesn't but there are times when people must take reasonable action to protect others from their own stupidity. If and that's a big if, but if the owners knew this was going on it would be similar to the parents that go out of town on weekends allowing their underage children to stay home and throw parties at their home.

It doesn't but there are times when people must take reasonable action to protect others from their own stupidity. If and that's a big if, but if the owners knew this was going on it would be similar to the parents that go out of town on weekends allowing their underage children to stay home and throw parties at their home.

 

Completely different scenario. The partygoers don't live on that property. The property owners aren't responsible for the partygoers, as the parents of underage children would be.

Completely different scenario. The partygoers don't live on that property. The property owners aren't responsible for the partygoers, as the parents of underage children would be.

 

Yeah that is different but my intent was that there are times that you can be held accountable for the actions of others if there is something you could/should have done.

 

I'm not saying these people owe anyone anything but if they knew these were going on over and over on their property and did nothing to stop them there could be some liability there. Did they ever call the police and say "Hey were finding a mess in our fields could you check on them every once in a while at night, no one is allowed to be out there". If I knew kids were breaking onto my property to get drunk every week I wouldn't let it go, I'd do something to stop it.

Yeah that is different but my intent was that there are times that you can be held accountable for the actions of others if there is something you could/should have done.

I'm not saying these people owe anyone anything but if they knew these were going on over and over on their property and did nothing to stop them there could be some liability there. Did they ever call the police and say "Hey were finding a mess in our fields could you check on them every once in a while at night, no one is allowed to be out there". If I knew kids were breaking onto my property to get drunk every week I wouldn't let it go, I'd do something to stop it.

 

If they did not give permission for the party, there is no way they are liable.

 

Your example of parents leaving children at home to party is not a comparable example and thus the bolded does not support what you say. Those parents WOULD be liable because parents are responsible for their underage children. If I am a property owner, I am not liable for things that occur on my property that I don't permit.

If they did not give permission for the party, there is no way they are liable.

 

Your example of parents leaving children at home to party is not a comparable example and thus the bolded does not support what you say. Those parents WOULD be liable because parents are responsible for their underage children. If I am a property owner, I am not liable for things that occur on my property that I don't permit.

Get past the bad example that I gave...my intent (and I used a bad example) was that people are sometimes expected to take reasonable action to prevent bad actions especially on their property.

 

So if you knew there was a field party and kids drinking and driving every week at it you don't think you should take some action to keep it from occurring again and again.

 

Legally you may be fine, but in a civil trial where a jury get's to ponder why you never let the police know it was going on, why you never put up a gate to block access to the field, why you never lifted a finger to stop these teenage drunkfest on your property...that you knew were going on. Trust me you don't want those questions to be in a juries mind when they go to decide Civil Liability.

 

Now if you didn't know this was going on, your home free, but if you knew it and turned your head you have some liability...IMO!