Debatable. Some classes will be. Some won't.

And a watered-down product.

No more watered down than they are right now.

For every "good" matchup, there will be a "bad" one.

Are you kidding me? Who's going to schedule someone who is going to beat their brains out? YOU name one...

I would be curious to know which schools are going to start a football program because of the switch from four to six classes ... do you know of any?

I think more schools would definetely think about it if they had a chance of playing schools with populations close to what they have. Do you know any that won't?

 

More bad teams in the playoffs ... is that really needed?

Don't hear anyone saying this about basketball when EVERY TEAM has the opportunity to be in the playoffs? OK for basketball, but not for football?

 

As for players ... if a player is good enough, he is seen now. That's one of the best uses of game film.

Are you kidding me?

 

Are there going to be any more jobs available than there are now?

Are you saying there won't be?

 

Again, what communities will be thinking about football that aren't already?

anyone with a new team...anyone that makes the playoffs for the first time...anyone who has elevated successes due to the new set up...

 

 

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How can it be less competitive?? In 2005 there were 217 schools with a football team in KY. with 4 classes, that is 55 per class. Each school had a 1.82% chance of winning it all. In a 6-class system, each school will have a 2.76% chance of winning the title. That means over 97% of the schools in each class won't win the championship, but each school in that class will be matched with schools on a similar level. To me that equals better competition, and more schools will get involved with football...as Tall Trees said, "It is about the kids!"

I admire your calculations for mathematical percentages that each school has to win a title.

 

Now I'll give you a mathematical reminder that the major push for additional classes in Kentucky is because many people out there are under the false impression that the private schools win 95% of the titles.

If nearly every team makes the playoffs, it kind of diminishes the accomplishment of getting to the postseason.

 

I think what diminishes the accomplishment of getting to the postseason now is the fact that teams that go 1-9 and 2-8 make the playoffs only to get beat badly by a high seed. With the new breakdown, teams that were 1-9 and 2-8 would be facing teams closer to their level and would have a chance to have a better record and compete for a title as opposed to getting thumped.

Have you seen the proposed Class A alignment? Beechwood, Louisville Holy Cross and Pikeville will have very little competition ... how a new class is going to improve programs like Fulton City, Jenkins and Berea escapes me.

And they've got a chance now?

If nearly every team makes the playoffs, it kind of diminishes the accomplishment of getting to the postseason.

Like when every team makes the playoffs in baseball, basketball, etc.

 

It may seem that way to you, but many of us would beg to differ.

many of us would disagree with many of you...

 

Strongopenyon...I agree that it is a misconception...My logic for favoring the 6-class system is for the reasons I mentioned earlier. I think the public/private debate is a waste of time. I think that public schools can compete with private schools, and if that is why people are for the new alignment, then I think they need to reconsider. I think the two issues are totally different, and there should be no debate about it...schools need to just play ball...if they want a championship, they need to work hard and go get it...

Don't say it, explain it...why do you think that? :confused:

What is there to explain? If you expand to six classes, there is less competition for a title than if there were only four classes. This is simple elementary school division.

 

Also, there is less "good" competition because you have many undeserving teams in your playoffs (numerous teams with losing records).

Also, there is less "good" competition because you have many undeserving teams in your playoffs (numerous teams with losing records).

 

Do we not have that now?? And with 6-classes those teams would have better records since they will be competing against schools with similar numbers

What is there to explain? If you expand to six classes, there is less competition for a title than if there were only four classes. This is simple elementary school division.

 

Also, there is less "good" competition because you have many undeserving teams in your playoffs (numerous teams with losing records).

 

How do you get less competition? Right now fours play against ones. Every once in a while a four knocks off a one...right? Henderson co. got beat by a four seed didn't they? Same thing in six classes. It evens out. There are going to be powerhouses regardless of the number.

 

Maybe they might want to add one more instead of six. Try five classes.

 

Leave it like it is and the rich stay rich, the poor stay poor.

 

But everything will be much better if we kick about 6 teams out?

 

The rationale I see on this post and the public/private posts just don't make sense to me. :confused:

Do we not have that now?? And with 6-classes those teams would have better records since they will be competing against schools with similar numbers

What? There will still be 217 teams playing and, sure, there will be some teams with better records and a lot more than now with losing records and in the playoffs in your six class system.

 

If you take 217 teams and play each other, there are still the same number of losses in a given year. And with six classes instead of four, it is mathematically impossible for there not to be more teams with losing records in the playoffs.

MoDawg,

 

Watered down ... yes. 54 teams in a class vs. 36 per class. That's the epitome of watered down.

 

You're the one saying that new programs will spring up with a move to six classes. I just don't see it. If you know of any, who are they?

 

I wasn't talking about good teams playing bad teams. Bad programs will just seek out other bad programs, and I don't know if that's much of a prescription for improvement.

 

And I just don't see more teams in the playoffs getting more kids recruited. The colleges already know which kids can play.

MoDawg,

 

Watered down ... yes. 54 teams in a class vs. 36 per class. That's the epitome of watered down.

 

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For comparison sake, OH has between 116 and 124 teams in each class.

Right now you have good teams not making the playoffs because of their very difficult districts, and then you have teams that are in weaker districts making the playoffs...very undeserving...If the competition is closer, there won't be as many undeserving teams making it because they will be competing against schools they have a chance to beat. Tread lightly when saying something is mathematically impossible...If the re-alignment does happen, we will see just how "POSSIBLE" it will be to have fewer undeserving teams

It may seem that way to you, but many of us would beg to differ.

Checks and balances my man. :thumb: Not everybody is going to agree with each other. I would be curious to see the breakdown of the 6 classes. I think it was on here about 6 months ago.

The one concern I've heard from rural schools is that they're going to have to start traveling pretty far for games.

 

 

I don't know if that is true or not, I see more travel for teams if they decide on a 5 class system. With 6 classes the travel may be a little shorter. But again it all depends on where you are and where you are going to in the new classes.

Some other states ...

 

Indiana ... 5 classes, 313 schools, 62.6 per class

Illinois ... 8 classes, 549 schools, 68.6 per class

Missouri ... 6 classes. 326 schools, 54.3 per class

Tennessee ... 5 classes, 294 schools, 58.8 per class

Mississippi ... 5 classes, 238 schools, 47.6 per class

Alabama ... 6 classes, 381 schools, 63.5 per class

Georgia ... 5 classes, 403 schools, 80.6 per class

Florida ... 6 classes, 499 schools, 83.2 per class

Louisiana ... 5 classes, 270 schools, 54.0 per class

Texas ... 5 classes, 1006 schools, 201.2 per class

Oklahoma ... 6 classes, 257 schools, 42.8 per class

Ohio ... 6 classes, 733 schools, 122.2 per class

Michigan ... 4 classes, 624 schools, 156.0 per class

Wisconsin ... 7 classes, 411 schools, 58.7 per class

Iowa ... 5 classes, 317 schools, 63.4 per class

Pennsylvania ... 4 classes, 602 schools, 150.5 per class

West Virginia ... 3 classes, 125 schools, 41.7 per class

Virginia ... 3 classes, 299 schools, 99.7 per class

North Carolina ... 4 classes, 344 schools, 86.0 per class

South Carolina ... 4 classes, 190 schools, 47.5 per class

 

Missouri split up its 5A few years ago ... there are 36 schools in 5A and 32 in 6A. Oklahoma has 32 teams apiece in the upper four classes.

 

The Tennessee figures are for Division I, not counting the separate private-school division. Same goes for Mississippi, Texas and Louisiana, which have separate sanctioning bodies for private schools.