What difference does it make if it's two or a hundred? Why is it so egregious just because it's a few more, in a state where fishy transfers are rampant all across the Commonwealth? Why seize on this particular one?

 

How does it NOT make a difference? Did you even read my post and pay attention to the analogy I used? To use my analogy again. Bacterial meningitis is bad...really bad. 13 cases of it at one place and you don't think that warrants extra attention?

 

That's all I'm saying here. You can't expect what has happened at Cordia over the past two years to not raise flags. How one can even argue that fact I don't know. And then to use the argument that X County has 2 kids and Y City has had 3 kids...well that only proves my point. If those cases are bad enough to warrant being mentioned...well then how can Cordia NOT be at the top of that list.

1 kid has now been ruled ineligible. Appears the rest did it the right way.

1 kid has now been ruled ineligible. Appears the rest did it the right way.

 

Possibly. All most of us ever wanted who had questions is that this very peculiar situation be looked into.

Sorry if I mistook your "zero coaching experience" to mean zero "head coaching" experience. Not everyone wants to be a college coach, but I'm guessing that, if given the choice, it'd be a small minority that chose to remain in the high school ranks. College assistants in BCS conferences can make anywhere from $70-$150K in salary from the university alone. It just sounds like you are trying to say you think someone who coached at a Class A High School is preferable to someone whose been a college assistant in a BCS program.

 

Really my point was neither. The fact that a coach, which happens to be Coach Rhodes, shows up to a school that hasn't won anything in at least a decade and now players from all over show up. That is the issue. Any way you cut it there is nothing about it that's right but this is the world we live in.

We are. And you pretty much proved the point that we'd been making. If the players coming in weren't a threat then nobody would care. Nevermind that they have been ruled eligible. It's because they are good. Thank you. :lol:

You guys are all laughing about this situation and that is all good....I'm not because I have total respect for Ky. high school basketball....played it, coached it, and officiated it....what's happening at Cordia just isn't right...and you guys know I'm telling the truth

Joker, do you not see the fallacy of using the other schools you mentioned in your argument? You have used PCC, KCC and in another thread NCC. In those, you have said X school has gotten 2 kids, or X school has gotten 3 kids over the course of 2 years, yet no one talks about them. Well, that may or may not be so (I remember a threads specifically naming the Moeves brothers a while back with some very nasty comments), and no I don't know the particulars in most of those other cases, but dude 2 kids coming in over 2 years DOES NOT EQUATE to 13 kids in two years...again that's the # I have seen reported having come into the Cordia program. I will compare it to an outbreak of meningitis. Lets say two kids at UK come down with bacterial meningitis. Bad stuff, might get a short mention on the local 6:00 news. 13 kids come down with it on UK's campus? It's the lead story on the national news. That's the difference. Lets have a little perspective here when comparing. And no, I'm not defending any other program who may have, through less than "legal" means (the R word comes to mind) come by other transfers with this post.

 

How does it NOT make a difference? Did you even read my post and pay attention to the analogy I used? To use my analogy again. Bacterial meningitis is bad...really bad. 13 cases of it at one place and you don't think that warrants extra attention?

 

That's all I'm saying here. You can't expect what has happened at Cordia over the past two years to not raise flags. How one can even argue that fact I don't know. And then to use the argument that X County has 2 kids and Y City has had 3 kids...well that only proves my point. If those cases are bad enough to warrant being mentioned...well then how can Cordia NOT be at the top of that list.

 

Really my point was neither. The fact that a coach, which happens to be Coach Rhodes, shows up to a school that hasn't won anything in at least a decade and now players from all over show up. That is the issue. Any way you cut it there is nothing about it that's right but this is the world we live in.

 

You guys are all laughing about this situation and that is all good....I'm not because I have total respect for Ky. high school basketball....played it, coached it, and officiated it....what's happening at Cordia just isn't right...and you guys know I'm telling the truth

 

This is why MOST think something is amiss.

 

BigVMan's analogy of Bacterial meningitis hit the nail on the head.

Really my point was neither. The fact that a coach, which happens to be Coach Rhodes, shows up to a school that hasn't won anything in at least a decade and now players from all over show up. That is the issue. Any way you cut it there is nothing about it that's right but this is the world we live in.

 

I don't find it strange that kids want to play for a coach who was a top recruit himself and played in the NBA, especially in an area where playing for a DIII or NAIA school is a big deal for most coaches.

How does it NOT make a difference? Did you even read my post and pay attention to the analogy I used? To use my analogy again. Bacterial meningitis is bad...really bad. 13 cases of it at one place and you don't think that warrants extra attention?

 

That's all I'm saying here. You can't expect what has happened at Cordia over the past two years to not raise flags. How one can even argue that fact I don't know. And then to use the argument that X County has 2 kids and Y City has had 3 kids...well that only proves my point. If those cases are bad enough to warrant being mentioned...well then how can Cordia NOT be at the top of that list.

 

Kids moving into and living at a boarding school. That's how. Happens at OBI where there are more than the "13" being reported at Cordia (which I don't think the actual number is that high, but getting good information on Cordia is hard since so many people seem to know exactly what's going on and can't be convinced otherwise, but then ask questions like "so is it a boarding school?" after they've already implied they "know" what's going on).

 

No one cares about OBI and they are never mentioned because they don't win games. They've had the same situation as Cordia for years, and we know they difference, they aren't as good as the kids Cordia has. I'll stand by saying if they were bad players at Cordia, no one would care.

 

And no, I see no difference in a school getting one transfer and a school getting "13" when we are talking about it like this. I know there's a difference in the number, but when PCC has Jaysean Paige, whose a kid from NY, Justin Johnson, and now two kids from Philadelphia and there seems to be no outrage about that, I don't really see the difference in 4 and 15.

 

Cordia just does it bigger and better. End of story. If plenty of other schools had the opportunity, they'd do exactly the same.

Joker, do you not see the fallacy of using the other schools you mentioned in your argument? You have used PCC, KCC and in another thread NCC. In those, you have said X school has gotten 2 kids, or X school has gotten 3 kids over the course of 2 years, yet no one talks about them. Well, that may or may not be so (I remember a threads specifically naming the Movaes brothers a while back with some very nasty comments), and no I don't know the particulars in most of those other cases, but dude 2 kids coming in over 2 years DOES NOT EQUATE to 13 kids in two years...again that's the # I have seen reported having come into the Cordia program. I will compare it to an outbreak of meningitis. Lets say two kids at UK come down with bacterial meningitis. Bad stuff, might get a short mention on the local 6:00 news. 13 kids come down with it on UK's campus? It's the lead story on the national news. That's the difference. Lets have a little perspective here when comparing. And no, I'm not defending any other program who may have, through less than "legal" means (the R word comes to mind) come by other transfers with this post.

 

do you not agree that if the 1st 2 cases were isolated it would/ might have prevented the spread. And is the meningitis worst in the other 13 cases than in the 1st 2 diagnosed or is it all meningitis a very contagious Bacterial infection that must be treated? Thus the purpose of KHSAA to decide which cases are no longer a threat and those that are threat. Cordia this year has 1 case that is contagious to date from what I've read. The others are rumors and are ok and no longer contagious.

Edited November 26, 201312 yr by the crossover

The whole crux of the Cordia (and others) matter is that they are placing themselves in an advantageous position over other schools who have to rely on homegrown talent, thereby slanting the playing field.

This is what fueled the clamor for separate Private and Public classes back in the Rose Hill/Lexington Catholic/University Heights era.

 

I'm sure the KHSAA would like to put a stop to the influx of talent into our state who are moving in for athletic advantage, but they can't. They have been stymied by injunctions, court orders, friendly local judges, and might be sued if there is a sniff of discrimination in their rulings or the slightest hint that they are depriving these students the right to pursue a "religious" education (Rose Hill).

They themselves have admitted (March 8, 2013 - Herald Leader) that they are powerless against local judicial systems.

So the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, while those schools gaining advantage from the influx of transfers thumb their noses at the KHSAA and all of the rest of us.

The whole crux of the Cordia (and others) matter is that they are placing themselves in an advantageous position over other schools who have to rely on homegrown talent, thereby slanting the playing field.

This is what fueled the clamor for separate Private and Public classes back in the Rose Hill/Lexington Catholic/University Heights era.

 

I'm sure the KHSAA would like to put a stop to the influx of talent into our state who are moving in for athletic advantage, but they can't. They have been stymied by injunctions, court orders, friendly local judges, and might be sued if there is a sniff of discrimination in their rulings or the slightest hint that they are depriving these students the right to pursue a "religious" education (Rose Hill).

They themselves have admitted (March 8, 2013 - Herald Leader) that they are powerless against local judicial systems.

So the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, while those schools gaining advantage from the influx of transfers thumb their noses at the KHSAA and all of the rest of us.

 

What school that is a contender in the 14th this year is relying on their homegrown talent? Perry Central with three transfers, two of which are from Philadelphia (and PCC had a kid from New York a few years ago)? Knott Central, who has their own share of transfers as well?

Ok, I couldn't find just a straight up roster with a list of where they are from like I wated to...but this from the Huntington Prep web site:

 

The lone returner is Montaque Gill-Caesar, a 6'6" rising junior who had an outstanding summer on the AAU scene. Montaque or as we know him, "Teki", averaged just under 14 points a game last season and is currently ranked top 20 in his class (and is from Canada by the way).

 

Joining Gill Caesar this season is a strong and experienced group of seniors. Point guard Josh Perkins (6'3") comes to Huntington from Colorado and just recently committed to Gonzaga. He is known as one of the top passers in the country. JaQuan Lyle, a 6-5 guard who was committed to Louisville and comes to us from Evansville, Indiana. Also in the backcourt is a pair of senior guards from Nashville, Tennessee, Coleman Spann (6’4”) and Jalen Lindsey (6’7”). Lindsey is committed to Providence.

Angel Delgado is the senior big man this season and at 6’9”, Delgado is a defensive presence and has committed to Seton Hall.

 

Other juniors besides Gill-Caesar are 6’10” Levi Cook, 6’9” Thomas Bryant and 6’3” Pau Serena. Cook hails from the state of West Virginia and is committed to West Virginia University. Bryant is from Rochester, N.Y. and is currently a member of Team USA and Serena is considered one of the top guards in Spain.

 

Miles Bridges (6’7”) and Ivan Gandia (6'1") are the only two sophomores on the team. Bridges is from Flint, Michigan and Gandia is from Puerto Rico. Gandia plays for the Puerto Rican national team.

 

The youngster of the group is Danny Vitiello, a 6' freshman from Dominican Republic by way of Puerto Rico.

 

Huntington Prep, by the way for those that don't know, is a prep high school located in Huntington, WV. They have recruits from all over the country and foreign players as well. They are NOT a member of the WVSSAC, the governing body of high school sports in WV, nor are they allowed to be.

 

I will let this sink in for a minute.

The whole crux of the Cordia (and others) matter is that they are placing themselves in an advantageous position over other schools who have to rely on homegrown talent, thereby slanting the playing field.

This is what fueled the clamor for separate Private and Public classes back in the Rose Hill/Lexington Catholic/University Heights era.

 

^^

I said "and others."

Maybe the KHSAA need ban the entire 14th Region - lol!

It sounds like the wild, wild, west down there.

 

The problem is that what is acceptable, and maybe necessary to be competitive in the 14th, isn't the norm for the rest of the state. It's getting that way, but in the majority of cases we take kids from our districts and go play with them.

 

Is it fair to those who have to compete with these beefed up teams in tournament events, or even the state tournament??? I agree with the poster who said that if places like Cordia want to become a basketball academy - fine and dandy - but then go play an independent schedule.

 

Cordia will play the 8th Region champ in the upcoming All "A" State Tournament. I'll gurarantee you that whoever comes out of the 8th "A" will have no such high profile transfers on their roster. While Cordia is indeed a very small school, as was Rose Hill and University Heights, because they possess big school talent that has moved in, they will win. How is that fair to the "A" Champs of the 8th Region???

Because all of the kids on the floor have been ruled eligible.

Ok, I couldn't find just a straight up roster with a list of where they are from like I wated to...but this from the Huntington Prep web site:

 

The lone returner is Montaque Gill-Caesar, a 6'6" rising junior who had an outstanding summer on the AAU scene. Montaque or as we know him, "Teki", averaged just under 14 points a game last season and is currently ranked top 20 in his class (and is from Canada by the way).

 

Joining Gill Caesar this season is a strong and experienced group of seniors. Point guard Josh Perkins (6'3") comes to Huntington from Colorado and just recently committed to Gonzaga. He is known as one of the top passers in the country. JaQuan Lyle, a 6-5 guard who was committed to Louisville and comes to us from Evansville, Indiana. Also in the backcourt is a pair of senior guards from Nashville, Tennessee, Coleman Spann (6’4”) and Jalen Lindsey (6’7”). Lindsey is committed to Providence.

Angel Delgado is the senior big man this season and at 6’9”, Delgado is a defensive presence and has committed to Seton Hall.

 

Other juniors besides Gill-Caesar are 6’10” Levi Cook, 6’9” Thomas Bryant and 6’3” Pau Serena. Cook hails from the state of West Virginia and is committed to West Virginia University. Bryant is from Rochester, N.Y. and is currently a member of Team USA and Serena is considered one of the top guards in Spain.

 

Miles Bridges (6’7”) and Ivan Gandia (6'1") are the only two sophomores on the team. Bridges is from Flint, Michigan and Gandia is from Puerto Rico. Gandia plays for the Puerto Rican national team.

 

The youngster of the group is Danny Vitiello, a 6' freshman from Dominican Republic by way of Puerto Rico.

 

Huntington Prep, by the way for those that don't know, is a prep high school located in Huntington, WV. They have recruits from all over the country and foreign players as well. They are NOT a member of the WVSSAC, the governing body of high school sports in WV, nor are they allowed to be.

 

I will let this sink in for a minute.

 

Most of know who Huntington Prep is. Not sure how it pertains to Cordia and the ones that have been ruled eligible to play for Cordia by KHSAA.