Why would I want my society to mimick an NFL locker room?

 

I noticed another area where our points differ from theres is we recognize that an NFL locker room doesn't equate to what happens for a majority of Americans on a daily basis.

NFL surveyed 72 players....34% said they'd rather have Martin as a teammate, 23 % said neither, and a lowly 15% said Incognito.

 

That's a horrible survey. The NFL has a 53 man roster with 32 teams. That's 1,696 players available to be surveyed. 72 players isn't a good enough amount of players to get even semi accurate results.

I noticed another area where our points differ from theres is we recognize that an NFL locker room doesn't equate to what happens for a majority of Americans on a daily basis.

 

No it doesn't. We all recognize that. But where we differ is that the simple fact that it's a locker room seems to suggest to some of you that it then becomes acceptable as part of locker room culture. Why?

Why wouldn't it ever get to that point in the locker room?

 

I understand your point that it doesn't necessarily HAVE to end in violence, but my point is that it could. And with Richie's track record, one would think that was a pretty good possibility.

 

I'm not saying there isn't a chance of punches being thrown. I'm saying from my experience the rest of the team jumps in before anything serious happens. Like I said earlier but I will repeat. Most of that locker room probably gets annoyed by Richie's antics , so Martin would of gained a lot of respect by just standing his ground and telling Richie he didn't appreciate his actions.

In my youth though I probably would of dotted or been dotted in the eye. We all mature. But like I said confrontation doesn't mean violence. It just takes courage.

 

So does walking away...

I noticed another area where our points differ from theres is we recognize that an NFL locker room doesn't equate to what happens for a majority of Americans on a daily basis.

 

Absolutely. We've lost as a society if the NFL locker room represents regular society. Some people who can function in both will survive in it. Others, like Jonathon Martin, don't. He clearly doesn't have the mindset of an NFL player capable of surviving in the locker room of one of the most barbaric sports on the planet.

NFL surveyed 72 players....34% said they'd rather have Martin as a teammate, 23 % said neither, and a lowly 15% said Incognito.

 

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of either.

Do you allow your kids to look up to professional athletes in any way?

 

My 19 year old doesn't. When he did look up to athletes he liked Duke basketball players.

 

 

My 14 year old looks up to me.

No it doesn't. We all recognize that. But where we differ is that the simple fact that it's a locker room seems to suggest to some of you that it then becomes acceptable as part of locker room culture. Why?

 

I've always felt hazing to some level is always right of passage type deal. Football is an extreme physical sport with dozens of wealthy people in each locker room. It's going to lead to big ego's and more extreme hazing.

 

I've said it over and over I don't agree with Richie's actions. But I think there is right way and wrong way to handle these situations. I think Martin chose the wrong way as a man.

If you admit that the behavior is a problem then I don't understand why you think it's acceptable just because it's a locker room. This isn't high school. These are grown men.

 

 

Grown men who get paid to pummel one another for our entertainment. Gladiators.

 

 

"Are you not entertained???"

 

 

I'm curious as to why we should expect them to act like they live normal lives when they clearly don't. It is entirely impossible to expect any locker room of any professional sport to be a place of model behavior and it is impossible to change that culture. It's too late.

As Rockmom had said with her son, I was always brought up to walk away from bullying, etc. That it took a bigger person/man to walk away than it did to fight. I guess that's not the way people raise their children anymore. Sure makes me glad I had the parents I did though, I know that much.

My 19 year old doesn't. When he did look up to athletes he liked Duke basketball players.

 

 

My 14 year old looks up to me.

 

You didn't answer my question.

NFL surveyed 72 players....34% said they'd rather have Martin as a teammate, 23 % said neither, and a lowly 15% said Incognito.

 

Really the poll that should matter would be polling all of the Miami Dolphins. From the responses we have heard, I think we know how that one would go.

If Richie punches Martin in the head in the locker room after an altercation, and by some freak accident Martin dies, is that acceptable?

Really the poll that should matter would be polling all of the Miami Dolphins. From the responses we have heard, I think we know how that one would go.

 

Right, but from everything we've heard, Incognito wasn't the only one doing the bullying, he was simply the ringleader. At the end of the day, I think Philbin is going to be the one held responsible (and rightfully so), and pay the steepest price.