Stop giving athletes a free pass just because they're athletes.

 

If a culture is toxic, then it's toxic.

 

No excuse for a grown man to act like that.

 

The jobs have different expectations that require different levels of both physical and mental ability. I honestly can't believe so many men on here have a problem with standing your ground. I don't advocate being proactive in confrotation. I advocate standing your ground so not to be a doormat. Dont seek confrontation but don't back down from it either.

If he stood up for himself this never makes it to the public. He wouldn't lose his job.

 

Exactly. Just like when Hugh Douglas got knocked out in the Eagles locker room.

Yes, I've been around white guys that think they're black. I think they're insensitive racist bigots.

 

Black guys that use the n-word in every day talk? Yep, racists and bigots.

 

When it's used in music and movies, etc....Nope. That's story-telling/art. Meant to convey a meaning/feeling.

 

That's how I feel. :idunno:

 

LOL

Again stop comparing jobs that can't be compare to an NFL locker room. Just stop.

You're right. We're talking about a workforce with disproportionately highly violent behavior, men who are more likely to be a danger to themselves and others.

What happens the next day? Act 1 is self defense which is what you have Martin doing in your post. You tell me what happens next. Richie could gain new respect for him and leave him alone. Richie could self report himself to the coaches. Richie could continue to pummel an unconscious Martin.

 

At least Martin stood up for himself in your story. Too bad he never tried it before he ran home to mommy and daddy.

 

But I'm trying to illustrate how him standing up for himself would do little to no good. Considering your posts in this thread, if Martin gets his face kicked in you'd just say, "At least he stood up for himself, oh well..." Is that really the society you want to live in?

Exactly. Just like when Hugh Douglas got knocked out in the Eagles locker room.

 

Listen I'm going to just agree to disagree. All I'm saying is if some guy I know takes my credit card and spends money on it without my prermission, or leaves me with a tab, or he makes remarks I take serious about my family. I'm saying there is 100% chance I will be having a discussion with gentleman. My hope is always we can solve problems through words which most my life has always been the case. Normally it's just a misunderstanding or one guy taking a joke to far. You need to let them know they are going to far or they just think everything is fine.

 

Again if you are fine with not standing up for yourself that is your right. I personally couldn't look myself in the mirror.

But I'm trying to illustrate how him standing up for himself would do little to no good. Considering your posts in this thread, if Martin gets his face kicked in you'd just say, "At least he stood up for himself, oh well..." Is that really the society you want to live in?

 

Decades of this behavior going on in locker rooms would say you are wrong.

NFL surveyed 72 players....34% said they'd rather have Martin as a teammate, 23 % said neither, and a lowly 15% said Incognito.

Listen I'm going to just agree to disagree. All I'm saying is if some guy I know takes my credit card and spends money on it without my prermission, or leaves me with a tab, or he makes remarks I take serious about my family. I'm saying there is 100% chance I will be having a discussion with gentleman. My hope is always we can solve problems through words which most my life has always been the case. Normally it's just a misunderstanding or one guy taking a joke to far. You need to let them know they are going to far or they just think everything is fine.

 

Again if you are fine with not standing up for yourself that is your right. I personally couldn't look myself in the mirror.

 

And what happens when he tells you that you aren't going to do anything about it, because he'll beat the life out of you?

And what happens when he tells you that you aren't going to do anything about it, because he'll beat the life out of you?

 

Like I said if we are talking in the locker room it would never get to that. In real life I don't have to worry about that because I don't associate with people that feel the need to fight. Normally just get in arguments about how overrated Kobe and Louisville are.

And what happens when he tells you that you aren't going to do anything about it, because he'll beat the life out of you?

 

In my youth though I probably would of dotted or been dotted in the eye. We all mature. But like I said confrontation doesn't mean violence. It just takes courage.

But I'm trying to illustrate how him standing up for himself would do little to no good. Considering your posts in this thread, if Martin gets his face kicked in you'd just say, "At least he stood up for himself, oh well..." Is that really the society you want to live in?

 

 

Why would I want my society to mimick an NFL locker room?

In my youth though I probably would of dotted or been dotted in the eye. We all mature. But like I said confrontation doesn't mean violence. It just takes courage.

 

Why wouldn't it ever get to that point in the locker room?

 

I understand your point that it doesn't necessarily HAVE to end in violence, but my point is that it could. And with Richie's track record, one would think that was a pretty good possibility.

Why would I want my society to mimick an NFL locker room?

 

If you admit that the behavior is a problem then I don't understand why you think it's acceptable just because it's a locker room. This isn't high school. These are grown men.

Why would I want my society to mimick an NFL locker room?

 

Do you allow your kids to look up to professional athletes in any way?